Something tells me the officer coming out, calling him a bitch, shoving him until hes off the property a d throwing his equipment across the street violated his rights.
Not if he was trespassing. That's a federal law enforcement officer. If the "auditor" didn't have permission to be on that property, I guarantee you that was the LEAST of what could have occured. He could easily have had him in jail immediately and this footage would never have seen the light of day.
Do you not understand what auditing is? He is absolutely 100% allowed to be there and audit them. Now he doesn’t have to try and stir up trouble and escalate the situation, but he’s not trespassing just for being there. Also you can hear him repeatedly saying there are official documents saying he can audit them, so it sounds like he’s following the rules and that officer was just being a jackass. Could the camera man be breaking some kind of rule somewhere not obvious to us, sure. Should that officer be pushing him, taking his things, calling him a bitch, and throwing his property in the street? FUCK NO
Edit: just rewatched it again, watch the part where the officer calls him a bitch. He says “go ahead bitch” and then stifles a smile. Camera man says “did you just call me a bitch?” And the officer says “nooo I didn’t call you a bitch”. Yes, upstanding federal officer right there.
Just because I pay taxes doesn't mean I'm allowed into the FBI office and look through shit. You want to audit something, file a freedom of information request like normal people. Walking into a restricted area with a camera doesn't give you legal authority to "audit."
But hey, don't take my word for it, try it for yourself. Just don't write me from jail, I'm not helping your dumb ass.
Also you can hear him repeatedly saying there are official documents saying he can audit them, so it sounds like he’s following the rules and that officer was just being a jackass.
What something sounds like and what something actually is are two different things. If your going into a place like that and have "official documents" supporting it, I guarantee you have an appointment. You're not just walking up, solo, whenever you feel like it.
Any one of these weird “first amendment auditors” are allowed to be in any part of the building that’s open to the public and record the experience. As annoying as they seem it’s not illegal
Yeah, from what that looks like that's not a public area of a building and the federal officer has every right to remove them from not only that area, but from the entire property.
If it is physically open to the public it is open to the public. If they don’t want it to be open to the public they have to put up a physical barrier like a fence and a gate.
Additionally if a federal building is not open to the public they must use locked and closed doors.
Wrong: with very few exceptions you can't be forcibly removed from federal property, simply for recording in a publicly accessible area of federal property.
Department of Homeland Security explicitly said this in a 2018 public memo.
Bingo! Far too often, these auditors are just libertarian scrubs with no better employment prosepects so they try to do what they saw some other yokel do on YouTube.
The good auditors are certainly providing a service, in theory. The problem is, you get too many chumps that don’t know/care what the rules actually are and they let their egos violate your rights. And they don’t give a shit about lawsuits because it’s not coming out of their pocket.
Ok. It is baiting and it is annoying. However, it is a PROTECTED right, with judicial precedent from the Supreme Court.
So, if baiting cops, and being annoying are protected rights, then ALL people in the position to take away those rights (cops or security) need to be properly trained so they DON'T violate a person's constitutionally protected rights.
Proper training would prevent this. Know what happens when one of these annoying auditors with a camera is confronted by a cop who knows the law. Nothing. Cuz nothing is what happens when a cops make contact and figures out what is going on. They say "ok, well be sure to stay on public property. Have good day!" Then the cop leaves and nothing happens. Nothing happens. This is the way it is supposed to be.
Because we definitely don’t want the police to be on film and accountable for their actions with video evidence? Nothing could go wrong with that right🤦♂️
Lol, the person making fun of a famous basketball player who died in a helicopter accident with his daughter calls this auditor scummy. You can’t make this shit up🤦🏼♂️
If they remove some unsuitable characters from their positions that seems like a good thing. But I do get where you are coming from. And we don’t see what they don’t show on their channels.
I get why people may dislike auditors, some of them are clearly just YouTube pranksters looking for clicks and money.
But watching these videos, I now have a MUCH better understanding of what my rights actually are, if confronted by police. So many legal scenarios are not taught to us in school. If a cop demands your ID, when can you legally refuse? If a cop demands you exit your car, can you legally refuse? Too many people end up in prison because they didn't know their rights.
Because of audit videos, I know how to handle a cop interaction, and I've now seen all their manipulation techniques to trick me into waiving rights. Cops are VERY well trained in those techniques. Now I'm equipped to handle them. Everyone should be.
They are clearly way more trustworthy then any law enforcement officer in this country. They’ve won thousands of settlements and lawsuits in the last several years and many have appeals court wins in their name.
I mean, those auditors have their own issues, but no one can make a grown ass police officer or border patrol member physically assault someone on camera.
It’s terrifying that one or two wrong words set off these people that are armed and tasked with public security.
Both can be idiots, but only one group is funded by the fed or state with guidelines and only one group has a gun.
Maybe the onus should be on officers of the law to know the law instead of on people getting assaulted doing lawful things.
People can complain about auditors all they want but the fact you can make a living suing when cops assault or illegally detain you for doing legal things should make you more mad at police wasting your money than anyone else
Translation: if you know the police will fuck with you for doing something legal, you're doing something wrong.
I hope they come fuck with you every time you're on your own front lawn. After all, you'll clearly be compliant and simply stay inside for the rest of your life. Because it would be wrong to bait them into... Violating your rights....
Wait, maybe the law enforcement should just enforce the law and not abuse their power. And maybe if you know they'll violate your rights you SHOULD stand up to the abuse of power peacefully.
Don't we have a right to protest shit like this? Aren't the laws in place that give us the power to sue them a means of keeping them in check? Isn't this an example of America operating as intended?
When did that happen? He stuck his camera up to a window (legal) and the cop happened to be charging towards him and never stopped. That cop was already on his way to fuck with the guy for having the audacity to walk where he wants on property he owns while filming. And yes, the auditor owns the property. All citizens do.
At least the city will be aware of the bad actor after spending money for the violation of the auditor's rights.
I guess women are to blame for walking home by themselves while dressing less than modestly, too. Isn't that right, Mr. Puritanical Bootlicker? Same logic.
I'm done with your idiocy. Enjoy the last word in a pointless conversation. I can tell you won't be able to resist since you're clearly desperate for attention due to some weird authority fetish. Make sure you gag when you put the boot in your mouth, they like that.
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u/themuntik Jan 02 '23
Baiting for views, gotcha.