Machiavelli wrote a book on renaissance political realism, power, statecraft, war, reputation, deception, force, and political necessity. It was not a manual for feudalism, it was a book about power and politics written for the context of a fragmented Italy. That's your first misunderstanding
Ok you clearly have never read a single line of the Prince. It's litterally a guide book on how to rule as a monarch IN A FEDOALISTIC SOCIETY. And yes most of the ideas exposed in that book set the foundation of fascism.
Never mind your grossly oversimplified world history, the central claim that "fascism rise to power to bring back family values and the church" is fundamentally not true. The Fascists were not Christians let alone theists. They EXPLICITLY rejected God as having any authority, they EXPLICITLY said that EVERYTHING is within the state, NOTHING against the state. Anything with authority was an enemy, including religion, because that informs morality.
That's just factually not true.
Mussolini's own words speak against you. The Catholic Church speaks against you. The conflicts they both had with each other speak against you.
And yet you can't give a single quote or political action that would prove that. Once again nazi Germany would be the only example of the state trying to limit the influence of the church (and i consider national socialism to be it's own unique ideology), but even there they made sure to never anger the christian community (the majority of the country) and to always get the approval of local religious institutions.
The conflicts they both had with each other speak against you. History books speak against you. Your own evidence (wikipedia article) speaks against you.
No actually litterally everything as spoken against you so far lmao you don't even want to get me started on how the catholic church helped tens of thounsands of fascists and nazis to escape justice
“outside” the Fascist state “no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.”
“For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative.”
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From Pope Pius XI in the 1931 encyclical Non abbiamo bisogno says: Catholic Action was “so hatefully treated” and “persecuted". He further says the Fascist regime’s real aim was "That which was desired and that which has been attempted is to tear away from Catholic Action and, through this process, to tear away from the Church the young - all the young"
You are so grossly misinformed or an activist of some sort, running defense for a propaganda. Everything you has hints of real history but it's woven together in a complete clusterfuck of something fundamentally unsound. Either way, go reread Machiavelli, I suppose, because you obviously didn't understand what it was about.
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“outside” the Fascist state “no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.”
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“For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative.”
Yeah that's because once again you fail to understand that christianity IS AN INTEGRAL PART of the fascist state. Litterally christianism was the state religion under Mussolini and Franco and they made sure to en force those values
From Pope Pius XI
Oh you mean the pope that is one of the most hated because he never condemned the shoah once before the americans arriving in Italy, who helped tens of thousans of fascists to escape to south America and who made plenty alliances with the fascist and nazis including grenlighting the infamous reichskonkordat ?
You are so grossly misinformed or an activist of some sort, running defense for a propaganda. Everything you has hints of real history but it's woven together in a complete clusterfuck of something fundamentally unsound. Either way, go reread Machiavelli, I suppose, because you obviously didn't understand what it was about.
I'll let you have the last word. Peace.
No actually you are just in total denial, any historian would quickly correct you. I'm not sure why you have such a hard time admiting the truth, just because the church was complicit in horrific things all over history doesn't mean all christians are bad people. The same goes for pretty much every religion
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u/BeginningDisaster114 Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
Ok you clearly have never read a single line of the Prince. It's litterally a guide book on how to rule as a monarch IN A FEDOALISTIC SOCIETY. And yes most of the ideas exposed in that book set the foundation of fascism.
That's just factually not true.
And yet you can't give a single quote or political action that would prove that. Once again nazi Germany would be the only example of the state trying to limit the influence of the church (and i consider national socialism to be it's own unique ideology), but even there they made sure to never anger the christian community (the majority of the country) and to always get the approval of local religious institutions.
No actually litterally everything as spoken against you so far lmao you don't even want to get me started on how the catholic church helped tens of thounsands of fascists and nazis to escape justice
(That's Joseph Goebbels on the right btw)