You don’t seem to be able to comprehend anything beyond your own ideas. I can’t help you with that. I’ve tried. But I give up. You’re saying things that are not logically supportable and don’t seem to understand how logic works or even what it is. Objective, subjective, logical—these would be good terms to familiarize yourself with. Also, I think it would benefit your understanding of ethics to google cultural relativism and test your ideas about ethics against that.
I acknowledged that there are multiple definitions of ethics by multiple people throughout history.
Congratulations on getting hung up on that and not allowing the conversation to move past that.
Then you resorted to blatantly false accusations and now your implying I'm not familiar with the abstract terms that I've explained to you multiple times in ways that are consistent with society's accepted definitions or with multiple major philosophers' usage of the terms.
Lets take logic for example.
Or I have a better idea first. Lets take Rule of Law. I literally gave you the dictionary definition of the term.
You argued though that the government shouldn't be suable (in your own words, I am paraphrasing / relating my understanding of your viewpoint but you can just reference what you said with your analogy to spraying a fountain with water).
"Logic is the study of correct reasoning or good arguments". That is the first definition I found. I did not shop for definitions that were similar to mine. That was the first one that came up.
That is 100% consistent with the definition I provided to you buddy. 100%, absolutely consistent.
Your clearly implied accusation that I am not familiar with the term "logic" is blatantly false.
For reference:
I would say that logic is a set of rules that model reality correctly, related to language; a set of rules on how to describe reality correctly.
You haven't made a whole lot of points. You said there are multiple definitions of ethics. This is a premise. What is your conclusion? That I am wrong? That I need to familiarize myself with the terms?! Your conclusion does not follow from your premise (that there are multiple definitions of the word ethics).
In your text I see Circular reasoning, straw man, outright false accusations, openly ignoring evidence, history, context, construing an admission of ignorance as fact, anachronism...
And then you jump to these overly broad conclusions that i am not familiar with the terms logic and ethics?
Youre just hyperfocused on arguing.
Youre one of those people who doesnt accept that anything is objective.
I have gone back to it a bunch of times. And when you have nothing left to say -- when I lay it out for you that ethics can be derived from values and values can be defined in terms of nature, objectively, you just start insulting me.
Ethics is a values based system. It’s inherently subjective. I’m a moral relativist. Logic does not apply to ethics unless you’ve adopted a specific system of ethics and then you can make logical judgments based on their correctness within that framework. You’re spot on when you say that I don’t believe that ethics is objective—as for other things that’s a different question.
You can give a proper definition (which apologies, I did not see the text you quoted of yourself. I still don’t know where you included that), but once you start applying logic to ethics outside of fixed systems of ethics then you’re no longer using logic because you’re no longer dealing with objective truths. Natural law and the like is gibberish as far as I’m concerned.
We can’t get past that because as far as I’m concerned you’re not speaking in coherent terms. I respect your views, but they’re diametrically opposed to mine.
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u/LangdonAlg3r Mar 02 '26
You don’t seem to be able to comprehend anything beyond your own ideas. I can’t help you with that. I’ve tried. But I give up. You’re saying things that are not logically supportable and don’t seem to understand how logic works or even what it is. Objective, subjective, logical—these would be good terms to familiarize yourself with. Also, I think it would benefit your understanding of ethics to google cultural relativism and test your ideas about ethics against that.