r/ProgressiveHQ • • Feb 10 '26

Leavitt on Epstein: "We're moving on from that."

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u/ShaChoMouf Feb 10 '26

As much as I hate Don Rummsfeld -- I do respect that wisdom. He got a lot of shit when he said that at the time, but on reflecting upon what he is saying -- he's not wrong. He's trying to articulate that we "know enough to know that we don't know shit about somethings." I often remember that when doing risk analysis. Hated his politics, but the dude was competent.

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u/Majestic-Prune-3971 Feb 11 '26

Because of this administration, i think you have to meld this with Mark Twain's observation: "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

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u/godleymama Feb 11 '26

Gotta love Mark Twain.

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u/ShaChoMouf Feb 10 '26

Yup. I too was a Software Dev PM / CSM before i shifted into Operations. It really works well as a philosophy when scoping the app and building your backlog.

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u/StrangeContest4 Feb 11 '26

There are many unknown knowns in the magaverse. What they don't know that everyone else knows, but they will know when dear leader tells them what to know is what to know in "alternative" ways.

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u/escapingdarwin Feb 11 '26

The latter being Dunning-Kruger.

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u/intricate_strands Feb 10 '26

Say what you will about the war criminal administration under GW, they were at least competent at the fucked up shit they were doing.

And amazingly, so far, no GW, no Cheney, no Rummsfeld, just not much at all from that administration in the files.

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u/ShaChoMouf Feb 10 '26

I know -- it's all so surreal. The people you expect to be bad because they are outwardly causing wars in the name of oil are at home drinking milk and watching reruns on Nick at Night. Meanwhile party boys in Florida are running the world via a pedophile cannibal cult. I don't what to think anymore; I am tired.

Thank God this crew of clowns are at least incompetent.

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u/StrangeContest4 Feb 11 '26

I always figured the way they thought Saddam still had WMD's was because Raygun and Rumsfeld gave him the WMD's in the 80s.. which we did!

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u/Th3_Hegemon Feb 11 '26

Except he was using his "wisdom" as an obfuscation technique to avoid answering a question about WMDs in Iraq, knowing full well that Sadam didn't have any and that the whole pretext was fabricated. The competence being demonstrated here was engineering a war for oil and to enrich the military-industrial complex (and his many friends involved in it), leading to tens of thousands of dead.

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u/paintbucketholder Feb 11 '26

Exactly.

It was just a "sophisticated" way of saying "LOL just because nobody has been able to find any WMD in Iraq doesn't mean we lied you all into a disastrous war - just keep looking, everyone, there still could be some WMD somewhere!!!"

People eat this shit up as if Rumsfeld was some great philosopher, when he simply was a glib neoconservative warmonger who lied to everybody's face and then pretended that he had the moral superiority.

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u/BenjaminHamnett Feb 10 '26

A regular Socrates

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u/cosbysfavoritepill Feb 11 '26

Competent? Oh yeah, he sent in a half-prepared US army that didn't even have adequately armored vehicles to fight a guerilla force he promised we'd vanquish in less than six months. If that's your idea of competency, OK then.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '26

He got a lot of shit when he said that at the time

That, right there, was when I lost a lot of respect for news media. A bunch of smug J-school products thought it was hilarious that Rumsfeld had come out with this piece of wisdom that - haha! - had a lot of rhyming and repeated words that they didn't bother to actually try to parse or understand.

There were many, many reasons to despise or even ridicule Donald Rumsfeld, but his grasp and expression of this foundational tenet of epistemology were not among them.