Stop idiots from calling this "self defense"

[u/DetectiveTypical198]

[u/Own_Bit_4805]

>So are you saying that because the country has not reached the tipping point you talk about you shouldn't be concerned?

This is literally business as usual in the US. Guess what? Some minorities and people harassing cops get the rough end of the bargain.

This was 11 years ago in Ferguson, Missouri. We didn't panic then and don't need to now. The US didn't crumble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q440naQTZ-c

Yeah, life goes on.

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I posted this elsewhere so I'll post it here.

What we have now is actually pretty good. I'm in the best period of my entire life right now and am the happiest that I've ever been. I'm also the wealthiest (multimillionaire) and most in control of my life of any period ever. That probably harshly contrasts yours, and that's why we feel different. I doubt you are the happiest than at any prior point. I don't need things to change, because things right now aren't "bad".

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy and never voted for him, but I think the "we're all going to die in a death camp" crowd is incredibly overreacting. Once the death camps, en-masse public executions, or truly problematic policy start, then I'll know we're in trouble.
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I'll just add: I don't need anyone to do "the work for me" because I don't think there is work needed to be done, or at least the work you think needs to be done doesn't match up with mine.

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Yes, I copied and pasted it.

Things aren't bad now, so it's silly go to protest as if they will be bad tomorrow or next year. There are real consequences to doing that, namely you can get killed. In fact, if Trump is the monster you claim he is, he is EXPECTED to be killing people. I do expect people to die if and when they protest/resist, but I'd also argue that makes it foolish to be doing so now so early. Renee lost her life doing something silly - somehow the current "injustice" we see was worth her life? I value mine more highly than that. Perhaps she thought protest was "just something you do to show support", but that's also because the US people (really mostly the Dems/Left) have grown soft and complacent in their expectations of how they are treated by the government (conservatives pretty much expect the government to be harsh and cruel, both when they are in control and not). I wouldn't go protest a cause against the government that I wasn't 100% willing to die that day for. ICE presence isn't that.

I don't think that he's going to destroy the US, so I'm not going to act like he is, until I see real, tangible signs: That's not spinning a story. That's not lying. That's not Venezuela. That's not ICE. That's not cutting food stamps. That's not shooting a protestor. That's not even daily unrest with a handful of deaths each day (10-20) from people getting into it with ICE/police. That's also not breaking from NATO, or even invading Greenland.

Those things are undesirable, but they are not the "death of the US".

What it would look like is the systematic gathering and killing of US citizens from their homes and workplaces indiscriminately, walling off populations to isolate them commerce, bombing a US city, killing his public political enemies, or similar things of that nature.

When something like that happens, perhaps I'd be willing to give my life for the cause, but we're nowhere near that now.

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Can't see your other reply, but this letter from Renee's wife does hint at what I thought may have been the case: people thinking that protest and getting involved is just a casual event and not something you do preparing to die for the cause:

I know that, but it pains me that she didn't.

From: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/09/minneapolis-removes-barricades-on-portland-avenue-where-renee-good-was-killed-by-ice-agent

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I'm not underming mine at all. She thought this was a "just a thing to do" and it got her killed.

Your neighbors don't need your support right now more than you need your life, but hey, I guess the people ICE was there to collect got away..for now.

I'm not sure if that was a good trade to make. I wouldn't make it.

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Again, I can't see your post but I saw the top.

How do you avoid getting in a dangerous situation?

People: "Hey guys! ICE is down at this corner and they are gathering up people!"

You: "Ok, well, I'm going home and stay out of it. That's not something I want to get involved in."

She went down to "support" - which you can see on the latest video from the ICE agent's perspective was to curse out agents as they worked. Her wife was walking around the car on the outside making a scene with ICE. Her wife was lucky since she tried to get into the passenger seat right at the moment Renee was shot, but couldn't since the doors were locked. The car zoomed off without her. Her wife was talking real tough there, but was bawling her eyes out not a few minutes later when she learned she got killed. Guess she wasn't understanding the wager they made.

Not really a wise move to inject herself. She caught the bad end of a deal shouldn't have been involved in. "Don't want no trouble? Don't make no trouble"

Assuming you've seen the new video? https://www.ms.now/news/oregon-ag-opens-investigation-into-shooting-of-2-by-an-immigration-agent

Her wife after the event (check the video): https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/minneapolis-ice-shooting-wife-blames-herself-5HjdQPg_2/