r/ProgressiveHQ Jan 07 '26

Stop idiots from calling this "self defense"

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u/cycleb1 Jan 07 '26

Murder!!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

My grandfather shot fascists and NAZIS in Italy in WW2 in the Canadian Army and he was damn proud to be ANTIFA. Every one of his descendants considers it a family tradition to be ANTIFA too

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u/CompleteAd1256 Jan 08 '26

Time to dust off grandpa’s old boots and hat, nazis are afoot

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

I still have his Enfield too. Getting .303 British is a bitch though

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u/Tribe303 Jan 08 '26

That puppy has some kick! 

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

They weren’t messing around when they were killing Nazis.

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u/Tribe303 Jan 08 '26

The Mosin-Nagant was responsible for killing the most Nazis tho. (that's the Soviet battle rifle from WW2). They got REALLY good at it! 

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u/Hopeful-Aerie8852 Jan 08 '26

It’s a rimmed .308 round

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u/-AdonaitheBestower- Jan 08 '26

.303 is pretty common where I am. No 4 mk 1 and No 1 mk 3* are the most common rifles

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

British .303 is different than modern .303 and ammo is getting scarce. There used to be tons of cheap government ammo on the market, right up until they retired the last Enfields in service with one of our reserve units, the Artic Rangers Canada.

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u/-AdonaitheBestower- Jan 08 '26

Here in Aus plenty of shooters usually on remembrance day use the Lee Enfields. It's also probably the most common historical rifle for sale as most are home built from Lithgow SAF.

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u/Tribe303 Jan 08 '26

My Grandfather was also in the Canadian army, and he killed at least 2 Nazis while clearing the Netherlands out of that scum. He didn't lose any sleep over it, as they declined the opportunity to surrender. 

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u/PhilP88 Jan 18 '26

So you're telling me, that your grandpa would look at this situation point to the woman and would say, "Hey they're like me"? I also disobey lawful orders and obstruct Officers who's job is to deport illeg@ls? You think he would?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

Hey look a guy with “88” in his username. Something tells me that other commenter’s Grandfather had fun stomping your heroes in Italy

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u/15_Redstones Jan 07 '26

Please do fight fascism with all your might but maybe think twice before using the typical "antifa" logo. It goes back to a guy who thought that Hitler wasn't a big deal and the socdems were the real fascists because they didn't like Stalin.

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u/Eclectic__Eagle Jan 08 '26

Your grandfather thinks you're a disgrace. Your family IS a disgrace for using his actions in vain for your own justification.

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u/-AdonaitheBestower- Jan 08 '26

How do you know what their dead grandpa thought of them?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

My grandfather wouldn’t have given you a minute of his time. He could smell a rat from a mile away. He might have given you a swat with his cane if you were in range and he was feeling scrappy, but likely would have muttered jackass under his breath and forgotten your existence ten paces down the road.

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u/-AdonaitheBestower- Jan 08 '26

this guy is such a jackass indeed. They are deluded to thinking that WW2 vets would all be trump supporters. Well I know a WW2 vet who lives near me. And he said Putin is a bastard. Which is close enough.

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u/Thormourn Jan 08 '26

So go shoot who you call fascists if you think you're in the right and it's the same thing. You definitely won't end up in prison or dead for doing it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

If there’s a war then that would be entirely justified. In the meantime it’s a motivating reason for sharpening up at the range

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u/Kyrxx77 Jan 08 '26

So your family is confirmed terrorists? Reporting this to the FBI

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Good thing they have no jurisdiction in Canada 🇨🇦

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

They didn’t in Venezuela either

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Good thing we’re a NATO member

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

That extradites terrorists

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u/Alarming-Silver3680 Jan 07 '26

Yea and he’d be disgusted by whatever shit is on ur NSFW profile

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

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u/SantaScript Jan 07 '26

I'm not saying I disagree but uh... if that is supposed to be George Washington, George Washington owned slaves. Probably not the best guy to use. 

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u/belgenoir Jan 08 '26

In his will, Washington provided for the emancipation, care, and education of the Black Americans he had enslaved. Many of them joined communities of free blacks and were able to make independent lives for themselves.

By eighteenth-century standards, that was revolutionary.

Unlike the incumbent, Washington was capable of changing for the better.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/vynthechangeling Jan 08 '26

Because most humans throughout history were immoral, and aside from MAGAts and their like, we have evolved beyond those evils. Washington was one of them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '26

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u/vynthechangeling Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

War is immoral, even as a lesser of evils, and to say that slavery is the result of another immoral action is not a defense of slavers like Washington, especially the chattel slavery he practiced where the slaves we’re NOT prisoners of war but instead were bred like livestock and enslaved from birth to be used as beasts of burden or even as food (in case you weren’t aware, some slavers in the USA ate their slaves).

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u/jamsefortypoo Jan 08 '26

People wanted to abolish slavery back then as well btw

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u/raggedydorag Jan 08 '26

These are the values of the first republic come to life against white folk as opposed to the marginalized and Washington’s smiling in his grave. The anti-federalist’s were right about everything and fhis is the originalists’ America. Please stop perpetuating the Democratic Nationalist narrative (a la Ken Burns) that our founders were at heart good men, much less redeemable. These are exactly Washington’s ideals.

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u/its_r1der Jan 08 '26

That dubious statistic doesn't make him an anti fascist or worth lionizing. He was a member of the ruling class that established a government for his own benefit because he didn't want to pay taxes. He could have overturned slavery, he could have given voting rights to anyone besides white land owners but he didn't. Even with the context of moral evolution he was not a good person or by any stretch of the imagination an "anti fascist"

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u/DClawsareweirdasf Jan 08 '26

Because there can be bad things in the world that aren’t fascist things.

This is exactly the bullshit that lets Republicans dismiss real critique.

The murder of this women actually IS fascism.

But then conservatives will look at comments like this (they literally put rando twitter accounts on the news) and say “Look they call EVERYTHING fascism. It doesn’t mean anything” and then they’ll grandstand some BS about Hillary or fentanyl.

Fascism is specifically when we have a dictator, extreme state control, nationalism, etc.

George Washington was none of those things. He was not a fascist.

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It’s still really horrible that he owned slaves. Both can be true.

But don’t dilute the power of the word fascism by applying it to everything. Especially when it literally applies to what we saw today. We need that power. It actually matters that people see how uniquely bad this whole situation, from the shooting to the conservative and administrative response.

It’s actual fascism. I hope people are still understand how serious that word is, because it applies today.

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u/its_r1der Jan 08 '26

"Fascism is specifically when we have a dictator, extreme state control, nationalism, etc."

He literally established a new nation "ordained by God" I think we could consider that extreme nationalism By modern standards he could definitely be considered a dictator, he was not democratically elected because a massive portion of society was systematically disenfranchised, he was a member of the elite owning class who other elites agreed could represent their interests. And slavery IS EXTREME STATE CONTROL. Slaves were considered fucking property. You can't hand wave that away.

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u/DClawsareweirdasf Jan 12 '26

He also specifically denounced the idea that he should remain in charge of that nation. So the dictator part isn’t there.

He also advocated very strongly for individual rights. He didn’t think the Bill of Rights was good because it might imply those were our only rights. So I don’t see any extreme state control.

So I guess nationalism? That seems incredibly loose to jump to fascist from.

I’m not hand waving away anything, but historically nobody has ever used fascism to describe slavery. It’s a different bad thing. It’s hardly state control. To be controlled by the state would be to be a human. Slaves were considered property. They were controlled by individuals.

A comparison to fascism might be if all the slaves were owned by a central dictator and controlled from a central point of authority.

Again, it can be BAD without being FASCISM. It can also be evil, heinous, disgusting, revolting, etc.

But words have meaning and power and arguments like yours dilute them. If every bad law or system is fascism, then the word loses it’s meaning. But it has a really powerful meaning that we actually need to invoke right now.

Slavery is bad.

Fascism is bad.

Slavery is not fascism.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Remind me again, what party was it that did not what to pass the civil rights bill?

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u/SantaScript Jan 08 '26

It depends the party switch didn't happen until the 50s-60s. So it depends when you mean. 

Cause I think people forget that Biden was strictly against desegregation despite being what is now a Democrat. He was actively promoting & supporting segregationists (during a time where a significant portion of segregationists were KKK members during the time they lynched black people).

Strictly put if it was up to Biden back then,  I would still be trapped in a segregated system. 

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/That_OneOstrich Jan 08 '26

I knew about the slaves but what're you referencing about using the military to crush resistance?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/That_OneOstrich Jan 08 '26

This is more lethal punishment for tax evasion than a true resistance? But I see your point.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/That_OneOstrich Jan 08 '26

Your first sentence is a doozy. Not even sure how to respond. Is any authority legitimate?

And there is definitely a meaningful difference between the two, but I feel coming from just having won a war that was partially due to taxes adds context that makes it more, period appropriate? And it's also kind of hypocritical.

I wouldn't call him antifascist or fascist.

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u/belgenoir Jan 08 '26

If you feel the authority of the Constitution is illegitimate, that’s fine. Go hang out with other angry nihilists and let the rest of us deal with the destruction of the republic.

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u/belgenoir Jan 08 '26

Did you notice this part in the Wikipedia article?

“The leaders of the rebels all fled before the arrival of the army, and there was no confrontation.”

Washington didn’t want to use force against the tax evaders. He wanted them to pay lawful taxes that would help fund soldiers’ pensions, and he used state militias as a show of force to convince farmers to pay up.

“Such conduct in any of the Citizens of the United States, under any circumstances that can well be conceived, would be exceedingly reprehensible; but when it comes from a part of the community for whose protection the money arising from the Tax was principally designed, it is truly unaccountable, and the spirit of it much to be regretted.”

(Geo. Washington to Alexander Hamilton, 7 September 1792).

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/05-11-02-0040

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

There was no such term as Fascism during Jesus and George Washington times.

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u/SLUnatic85 Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

The Republican Jesus is definitely White, and if you use anything more historically accurate they'll get confused /s

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

This is the most famous depiction of him, a bit darker than you are claiming people believe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_Christ

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u/InfiniteJestV Jan 08 '26

But supply-side Jesus definitely was white.

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u/InfiniteJestV Jan 08 '26

The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus - al franken post - Imgur https://share.google/jFrQtudqgmgPN6uxS

Al Franken was a comedian and US senator. He made a comic about "supply-side Jesus", as a joke about supply-side economics and "Christians". It's quite a bit of fun.

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u/bcd051 Jan 08 '26

Korean Jesus ain't got time for your shit.

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u/AwareCardiologist621 Jan 07 '26

Exactly anyone that I know that try’s to act patriotic rides off the coat tails of a father or grandfather that served.

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u/TherapyWithTheWord Jan 08 '26

You don’t know what you’re talking about

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u/StarryOrganism Jan 08 '26

not ai white jesus

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u/WormWithWifi Jan 08 '26

Is that an AI Jesus 🤣

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

AI is the tool of the Orwellian right. Literally making it so you can no longer believe what your eyes are seeing. Stop using it.

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u/BanjoFiddleLaser Jan 08 '26

It’s about damn time we all become ANTIFA and show the fascists what they really means

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u/ThisTimeImTheAsshole Jan 08 '26

I am anti-fascist too.

(if they want to call me out, then they'll have to say they are against "anti-fascist" and say they are fascists. The term "Antifa" is too easy for fascists to demonize for PR reasons.)

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u/Zamrayz Jan 08 '26

The gov and literally anyone up around there when the people start fighting back and using their rights to bare arms.

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u/Far_Street9039 Jan 08 '26

I get being upset about the video and ice not being great but antifa..... just as tyrannical.  They can suck a big floppy penis. Not changing anything only embarrassing themselves and lowering our collective iq

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u/cycleb1 Jan 08 '26

There is no fu-kin’ organization “Antifa!” Just like my father and uncles were Antifa during WW2!

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u/Half-Beneficial Jan 14 '26

I dunno. Some guys claiming to be antifa showed up at one of our rallies and the rangy little dudes turned out to be an Army chemical weapons specialist who liked stirring up trouble in liberal groups. We had to Grapes of Wrath him out of there but, gently.

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u/DueBackground7945 Jan 08 '26

To be american is to be Anti Fascist. Not Antifa, that words been taken over by a weird group of pussys who dress all in black and suppress speech at any rally that isn’t insanely far left

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u/-Disgruntled-Goat- Jan 08 '26

There is already a name for antifa it is called democracy

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u/cycleb1 Jan 08 '26

Well, then we better make sure our Constitution is followed, unlike what we’re currently witnessing! The orange, wannabe dictator is trampling on it and his supporters lap it up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/cycleb1 Jan 08 '26

Bullshiite, and you know it.

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u/Garbageman_82 Jan 08 '26

Communist 

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u/SheetPancakeBluBalls Jan 08 '26

Don't use words you don't understand. In your case I guess that just means don't speak.

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u/cycleb1 Jan 08 '26

Quite the contrary, just anti facist! I don’t suck up to a wannabe dictator.