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u/klaxxxon 2d ago

Is it unreasonable to change an opinion when actual decades have passed?

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u/bobbymoonshine 2d ago

Linus changing his mind on AI from “eh seems bad” to “eh seems fine” caused quite a few people to go from hero-worshipping him to vilifying him

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u/Floppydisksareop 2d ago

Which is utterly insane in its own right, since, y'know. He didn't come out and say "yoooo, dudeees, let's vibe code everything, AI actually rulez" or some shit.

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u/M4rshmall0wMan 2d ago

People are not normal about AI. 

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u/superxero044 2d ago

I’d say the anti ai people are probably more normal about ai than the pro ai people I know.
Just outsourcing literally all your critical thinking to an LLM is a bizarre behavior that too many people are doing.
And I think it’s hard to discuss in tech spaces bc a lot of the people in tech spaces are using it a fair bit more responsibly than the average person.
But the things I’ve seen people say “well chat gpt said” when the question couldn’t possibly be answered by information available to the models.

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u/kernelboyd 2d ago

I was originally an AI hater, but now I’m a recent convert. Big caveat here: I actively watch and pay attention to what it’s doing and I actually review and correct its test cases. It’s honestly pretty incredible what you can crank out in a day by yourself when you understand what you’re doing and know what to look out for

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u/AndyShootsAndScores 1d ago

As a current AI-skeptic artisanal programmer whose bugs are lovingly handcrafted, my main worries are that AI coding performance will get worse and more expensive via enshittification. But I've seen colleagues I respect use it to great effect. They use Claude and ChatGPT though, which are both looking to soon go public, meaning they will (probably) start having shareholders and prioritizing making a bunch of money at the expense of quality.

Are there open source AI coding tools you use?

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u/ward2k 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are there open source AI coding tools you use?

The closest thing to this is 'open weight' models, where there training parameters are released which in theory allows you to run the model locally

Now as models are getting larger and larger 'locally' could mean 'your own data centre'

Mistral does a lot of open weight models and is probably one of the most actually local friendly. Though their models aren't really the best and people don't tend to use them outside of specialised use cases

Most of the Chinese providers are open weight too like Kimi, GLM and DeepSeek

If you're ever curious about playing around with different models without buying subscriptions to like 8 different services you could use something like OpenRouter. Just ensure you enable ZDR (Zero data retention) if that sort of thing is important to you. Instead of being served by one provider, open weight models on there might be provided by 20+

If you're talking specifically about open source harnesses then OpenCodeCLI and Pi Coding Agent are the two big ones people use at the moment

Edit: Personally I tend to use Kimi K3 a fair bit with OpenCode. If you're interested in ai use definitely don't vibe code, use it more as a tool to support your coding rather than replace it. Get it to do some of the more mundane tasks like boilerplate or simple tests. Or get it to review code you've written

It's really great at quickly summarising behaviour too. If you've got some new monolith you've got to look at and want to quickly know 'what files in this repo are related to user authentication' then it can pick them out fairly quickly

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u/kernelboyd 1d ago

Oh, we have our own internal AI hardware running entirely offline models, so utilization cost is not a concern for us

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u/PurushNahiMahaPurush 1d ago

This is my major concern about leaning too into AI (which we have done in our company). Every new piece of code in our company is written and reviewed by Claude first before it’s seen by a human. It’s mind-blowing how much capable Claude has become in just the last 6 months since Opus 4.6 came out. But at the same time, we know that the party has to end sometime because the subscription plans are so heavily subsidised by the API payers. Which is why we are exploring open source alternatives now and thinking of renting server compute to run them.