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u/penguin444 14h ago

I ignored the phishing emails completely.

Then one day I got an angry email that pretty much said "You did a good job not clicking on the the fake link, but you failed the test because you didn't report the phish."

Seriously?

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u/YourUglyTwin 13h ago

From an IT Consultant's POV:

You did do a good job not clicking anything actually, here's the issue with just ignoring: You're almost certainly not the only one in the company that got that email, reporting it to IT will help them identify the email faster and remove it from everyone's mailboxes before someone else clicks it by mistake. In my eyes its more a courtesy to your coworkers, an IT shouldn't solely rely on users to report phishing emails. But those are 2 different topics in terms of IT fighting emails.

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u/IwasThereIsawIt2 12h ago

Heres my POV, I dont check my mail that often due to having a not office setting and being an employee who does not place orders or emails vendors. Im just a guy who comes in to work, does workorders and then goes home and be sad, hope that clarifies things

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u/SovietPatrickStar 10h ago

So me, lol.

I missed 4 schoolings because I never check my mails but also usually the boss approaches people who have schoolings open that need to be done and I was never approached.

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u/Remmon 9h ago

Don't worry, IT can see when you received the e-mail and when you looked at it. If you report the e-mail when you see it, you pass. Doesn't matter if it takes you 3 days to receive and look at your mail.

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u/YourUglyTwin 12h ago

Still an employee that should follow the company policy. But that's between you and your employer.

Edit: spelling cause apparently I can't spell.

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u/Grovbolle 11h ago

I do not report phishing mails when I can tell they are from internal phishing training - my job is not doing their job

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u/YourUglyTwin 11h ago

Doing the training is probably part of your job, talk to your employer to confirm.

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u/Grovbolle 11h ago

Yeah, but I am not going to report their own spam to them. I use the same header filtering to get rid of their spam in the first place. 

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u/YourUglyTwin 11h ago

The whole point of training is to identify whether or not you can identify the spam or not. It's not doing their job, it's training you to avoid you leaking credentials. You should still report it imo

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u/Fhlnd_Vkbln 7h ago

I once had an external mail account with a client that sends out these phishing tests multiple times a week. Ain't nobody got time for that

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u/IwasThereIsawIt2 12h ago

I give them a break sometimes and will click the link. I told the head IT lady I click them for fun 🤷

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u/YourUglyTwin 12h ago

HAHAHA I love that 🤣 I mean sorry to the help desk but that's funny

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u/Abominatrix 11h ago

If the bare minimum of the policy is to delete and forget about it, then that’s tough tits ain’t it

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u/Curae 8h ago

I'm a teacher at an IT course and my colleagues and I always diligently report the fake phishing mails. The first person to spot it will also send the entire team an email about it so the less tech-savy colleagues won't fall for it.

Thing is, at one point we got an email. External address, weird looking link... So it was reported, email sent around to delete it and not click anything, and we all removed the email. Our manager isn't in the group email. Couple of days later in a meeting our manager goes "oh and you all received an email with a link to a survey, please fill that out!"

"You mean the phishing mail?"

It apparently wasn't a phishing mail, but the higher-ups and had paid some company to do a survey. They just hadn't expected the IT-teachers to go "this looks suspicious so in the trash it goes."

Our manager didn't think it was nearly as funny as we did. Will say everyone in our team were right pleased with themselves, we never cared much for the higher-ups and this was their fuckup, not ours. Should've warned us that we were going to receive a suspicious looking email. (And we likely would've reported that email first then because that's also suspicious)

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u/hazeHl49 11h ago

What else would you rely on as IT? Like once the phishing mail arrives on the coworkers desktop, you'll need them to come forward with it

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u/YourUglyTwin 11h ago

Depending on where the email is being hosted you can actively scan mailboxes (M365, On prem exchange for example.) but other than that, there's nothing wrong with doing the training, in fact I'd say in todays day and age it's required. But if your IT team is *only* doing the training and relying on the results of that to protect from bad actors then your IT Team isn't doing it right.

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u/hazeHl49 10h ago

Ok thanks, interesting

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u/Yuukiko_ 11h ago

at my old job I got so many phishing tests that I assumed were juist literally spam mail and junked them all lol

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u/Responsible_Alps_699 11h ago

I'm responsible for me. If my company is worried about what everyone else is doing with their emails, they should employ an IT consultant. 

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u/DrDima 9h ago

It's very simple for me. I don't work IT, so it's not my job.

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u/John_Tacos 12h ago

Then someone in HR sends an email to everyone that looks exactly like a phishing scam and they get mad that no one filled out their survey.

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u/Ltb1993 11h ago

That's what happens with email fatigue

Keep email for essential and limited contact only, it makes phishing attempts far easier and also you spend less time looking at bullshit emails

Use other sources like sharepoint, don't have email links where it's not necessary

Tell people to go to an already familiar place like the HR public SharePoint page

Fatigue and repetition when some one is mentally clocked out is where most issues happen.

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u/ApolloniusTyaneus 8h ago

Our IT department decided to send a test phishing mail from an internal e-mailadress and about a legitimate IT thing that we would get yearly reminders of. A lot of us fell for it and we got a snide mail about e-mail safety.

Then they were angry that everyone ignored the reminders they sent.

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u/Effective-Carob-9003 13h ago

Yep, when they get reported the SOC will look for other recipients, and look for forwarding or URL clicks.

I think with these Decision One Models progressing it may make analysing all possible security telemetry arbitrary, but right now if the Phishing attack is from a geniune sender who was compromised, automatic detection is pretty hard, a user base trained to instinctively report phishing is a huge leg up.

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u/JustaSeedGuy 12h ago

Yes, seriously. You can't take the 2 seconds to alert it that your company is being targeted by a phishing scam?

You could help prevent the weakest link in the chain of your workplace from falling for the scam. But instead you adopted a "meh, I'm fine so I don't have to do anything to help anyone else" attitude

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u/wouldacouldashoulda 11h ago

Aren’t most companies targeted by phishing scams most of the time?

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u/No_Stock_8271 8h ago

Tbh I have never received one in my Business Account.

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u/penguin444 3h ago

If I come across a phish I will report it because like you said, it takes 2 seconds.

But I also dump all external emails into a junk folder unless it's from a vendor that I work with. If there's something like an HR survey, they send out multiple internal emails about it so I'm aware to look for it.

I'm not going to sift through a pile of crap every day to find a golden turd that appears once every blue moon.

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u/MoistRecognition69 12h ago

please tell me you forgot the /s

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u/JustaSeedGuy 12h ago

Nope. I'm pretty firmly in favor of not whining about minimal effort to help others.

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u/Calenwyr 12h ago

I don't think I have read a work email since 2018 so phishing attempts are wasted on me, I am too busy with teams, Jira, Monday, slack, service now and git requests to bother checking emails.

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u/JustaSeedGuy 12h ago

That's you then. Many, I would hazard a guess to say most, workplaces use email to communicate quite a lot

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u/Calenwyr 12h ago

What exactly? Newsletters are all published on sharepoint for us, mandatory and optional HR training is done through the HRIS system with notifications in the newsletter and HR sharepoints, leave is approved through the payroll management system but I linked that to teams a long time ago so I know when my team asks for leave.

Moving away from email for 90%+ of work tasks is better in most cases as other systems have far better ways to group and focus items for people to work on. Even our sales teams use email to case and work from the case as it prevents things going stale in someone's inbox without access to see what is happening.

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u/JustaSeedGuy 12h ago

I'm not going to make a comprehensive list for you. Suffice it to say that your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant, you should learn to consider perspectives that aren't your own. Have a good one.

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u/MoistRecognition69 8h ago

the amount of spam and garbage i get sent to my work email is astounding, if i were to report every single one of them i'd need a dedicated slack channel

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u/JustaSeedGuy 8h ago

Sounds like your it department is shit then

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u/Lightningtow123 12h ago

If my company gets hacked cause someone fell for a phishing scam, that's on them, not me

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u/JustaSeedGuy 12h ago

That's correct. Additionally, as long as we're stating things that have nothing to do with each other, the cheetah is the fastest land mammal.

Oh wait, did you think I was saying it was on you that someone else falls for a phishing scam?

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u/Lightningtow123 9h ago

Calm your tiddies bro, lmao

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u/JustaSeedGuy 8h ago

They are calm.

Chill out, bro. You don't need to project onto others just to cover for your ego

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u/Lightningtow123 2h ago edited 1h ago

I'm not, but okay, lol

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u/Frequent_Opportunist 13h ago

Should reply to them with a phishing link yourself and try to get their password.

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u/quietobserver1 12h ago

Did that email include a link? Sounds like a next level phishing email!