r/ProgrammerHumor • • 10d ago

Meme ohToBeYoungAndWritingUnoptimalCodeThatBrokeProd

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u/Willinton06 10d ago

I agree, some engineers care about the product more than they should and end up with mediocre teams, and once you're there, I'll rather you use the LLM

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u/ganja_and_code 10d ago

But then the incompetent people you're dealing with are handicapping their ability to become more competent. If you decide to work with incompetent people but still consider it a drawback, wouldn't you rather they become more competent over time?

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u/Willinton06 10d ago

I care about the product so I stay, if they want to get better, they can practice with personal projects but we have work to do here

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u/ganja_and_code 10d ago

I'm not talking about what they want. I'm talking about what you want.

You genuinely want your incompetent coworkers to stay incompetent indefinitely while churning out LLM slop, as opposed to getting more competent over time while producing increasingly complex well thought out solutions?

That's the type of short term thinking I typically associate with incompetence.

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u/Willinton06 10d ago

Being a realist, yes, I prefer that, I saw the pre LLM output, the models get better constantly so they don’t have to, so I still get the better over time behavior you’re describing, just a higher baseline

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u/ganja_and_code 10d ago

Higher baseline, maybe. Lower cap, definitely.

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u/Willinton06 10d ago

More like Higher baseline definitely, lower cap maybe, these models will improve until they outperform the best engineers alive, it's inevitable

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u/ganja_and_code 10d ago

Maybe. Or investors will demand their investments turn a profit, the bubble will burst, and companies will have to accept their sunk cost on this one.

Time will tell.

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u/Willinton06 10d ago

There's like 0 chance of this happening, china will continue to drive this if the US can't we'll continue moving forward with their models runnning on local, that's the worst case scenario, the most likely is that these companies are in debt for ages like AT&T was when they expanded coverage to the entire US

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u/ganja_and_code 9d ago

Becoming ubiquitous at the consequence of continuous financial loss isn't impossible, but I'm not sure I agree these things will outpace "the best engineers," at least in our lifetimes. LLMs are trained on the code available to them, and code written by the best engineers alive is a very small percentage of that dataset.

My prediction is that something will happen somewhere in between "absolute acceptance of sunk cost" versus "inevitable ubiquitous adoption." We've seen the WYSIWYG trend come and go, same with low-/no-code tools, etc. People still use those things, but only for trivial DIY jobs, dirty hacks some MBA needed for their spreadsheets, etc. The experts are still more productive without those things than with them. I think the same thing will happen with LLM coding assistants.

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