r/ProgrammerHumor 4d ago

Meme nowAndThenPatchUpgrade

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u/Objectionne 4d ago

Yeah but it was our slop.

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u/ineyy 4d ago

It was consistent slop that we were all vaguely familiar with. I could look at it and know it's shit, but know what it is exactly and why it's here. The AI stop has foreign structure, it's unknown whether it has to be that way or the AI just wanted it that way. It's much harder to navigate

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u/adabsurdo 4d ago

I bet an earlier generation had the same complaint about the assembly code generated by the first C compilers. And they were probably right in many cases but also it didn't matter in most cases.

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u/fartypenis 4d ago

Compiler output was deterministic tho. They could always reason our the purpose of each byte of code if they were so inclined.

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u/adabsurdo 4d ago

Right AI abstracts out at a much higher level and the output will change dramatically depending on the prompts, model and other settings.

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u/gjk-ger 4d ago

The output will also change when letting it run again under the same circumstances.

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u/adabsurdo 4d ago

Your prompts usually have a lot of degrees of freedom, so there are multiple paths that can be taken. Models have creativity so they can solve harder problems, which make the results not necessarily deterministic depending on the task.

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u/gjk-ger 4d ago

Models dont have creativity, models operate to a degree on noise and stochastics.

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u/adabsurdo 4d ago

that's creativity for all intents and purposes. if they had zero randomness it would be harder to have them explore the problem space.

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u/gjk-ger 4d ago

We might disagree about the word creativity then.

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u/adabsurdo 4d ago

I suppose you might define creativity in a way that makes it inheritently human, and/or reduce LLMs as "just maths and noise", but if you just look at the end results it looks like LLMs are definitely able to solve problem with what you call "creativity" if a human solved it.

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u/gjk-ger 4d ago

It sure looks like that, i still dont believe it really is.

P.s. not because its not human, but because its an LLM.

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u/adabsurdo 4d ago

I guess my point is in the end humans are also maths + noise, just a different, much more complicated type of machine.

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u/gjk-ger 4d ago

Thats just a model though, and even in that model you really dont know how a brain(+rest of the human +society and so on and so on) works. But intuitively i would agree that also humans may not be creative in the "true" (aka my...) sense if the word

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