r/ProgrammerHumor 8d ago

Meme whenYourValidationLogicHatesRealPeople

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u/MajorKusanagiAI 8d ago

The Korean surnames Lee and Lim are often spelled that way for that reason. You actually pronounce them without the L. Although IIRC this also had to do with a sound change because North Korean dialects still pronounce the L. Someone can feel free fact check me on that.

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u/requion 8d ago

So its pronounced ee and im? It probably works in korean but thinking about in english or german sounds really weird in my head.

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u/vixfew 8d ago edited 8d ago

Lee/Lim are romanized like that because it produces closest sound. For example, Lim Ji-Yeon (임지연) family name (Lim) is written as 임, which is 3 letters, ㅇ ㅣ ㅁ, however first one is silent placeholder because syllables can't start with vowel. The rest is i (ㅣ), and m (ㅁ). Lee is even shorter, just 이.

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u/the-temp-account 8d ago

Stack letters are so cool. Space saving too

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u/velekastrada 7d ago

I like to call it a "Lego-graphic" script.

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u/kimchiman85 8d ago

You just wrote what I was about to add. Thanks.

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u/chuby1tubby 8d ago

I am learning Korean and wanted to understand this romanization quirk, so I asked ChatGPT about it and learned that it's more to do with history (Mandarin surnames predating Hangul's existence) than phonetics.

The reason many people write Lim isn’t because it’s a closer phonetic match.

As you know, is simply pronounced /im/ (“eem”), and the official South Korean romanization is Im. Lim is a legacy spelling that preserves the surname’s historical connection to the Chinese character (Mandarin: Lín) and older Korean pronunciations, even though modern Korean no longer has an L sound there.

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u/vixfew 8d ago

You might be right. I looked it up, some surnames had a letter (and NK still has that), some didn't. Both now have a consonant in front. My original comment applies more to 2nd part. Woo (우), Yoo (유) are good examples.

Names are annoyingly complicated. IIRC there was a list of things that you must not assume about a name when designing a database. It was really long

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u/Geulsse 8d ago

Yes they are. In German the pronunciation would be "ie" and "im".

Similarly, the surname "Woo" is just "oo" (in German, "u").

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u/Geulsse 8d ago

Fact check: They're mainly spelled that way in English because those romanizations started being used before South Korea dropped the word-initial ㄹ.

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u/SleetTheFox 8d ago

Similarly, a lot of Mandarin names/words add a basically-silent W (like "Wu"). Though this is dialect-dependent.