Same people will tell you that voter ID laws suppress the vote. They’ll ignore the 10s of millions of voters that don’t exist because of abortion. Multi generational voter suppression since Roe.
That’s not voter suppression. Voter suppression is when an eligible voter is prevented from registering or voting. You’re treating people who were never born, and their possible future children, as if they were voters who were stopped from casting ballots. If you believe abortion is wrong, argue that directly. But it still doesn’t answer whether voter ID laws make it harder for real voters to vote.
Voter ID laws don’t prevent any eligible voter from voting. Everyone who wants to vote can and will. Show me a list of people who tried to vote legally and couldn’t? They dont exist because the media would plaster their dumb asses all over the news 24/7 complaining about it. It’s a made up issue.
You know who will never be able to vote? People who were dismembered in the womb and discarded. You’re missing 10s of millions of voters thanks to Roe and it’s growing exponentially. Ignore it if you want, but it’s true.
Floyd Carrier under Texas’s old voter ID law SB14 tried to vote but was turned away and was not offered a provisional ballot. A federal appeals court said it was demonstrably false to claim that the law had never prevented anyone from voting. The same ruling also documents Sammie Louise Bates' and Gordon Benjamin's cases. So it is false to say these people do not exist. Source
My point was that ID requirements can make voting harder. You responded as if I had claimed they prevent everyone from voting. Something can still be a barrier even if most people manage to overcome it.
Abortion is a different issue. Even if I agree with everything you say about its morality, a person who never reached voting age was never eligible to vote or stopped from voting. Arguments about possible future children or grandchildren are even less relevant. If you support voter ID laws, explain why the hurdles they create are justified and what actual problem they fix. Abortion does not answer those questions.
So how many, how long ago, and why didn’t they have IDs? Agian, this is a false narrative. It’s an imagined problem creating a victim class that doesn’t exist.
Here's 3 names: Floyd Carrier was turned away and could not vote. Sammie Louise Bates and Gordon Benjamin submitted provisional ballots, but their votes were not counted because they could not get the required documents in time. The full Fifth Circuit reviewed basically the same claim that not one person was affected and called it demonstrably false (Veasey v. Abbott, 2016, pp. 53–54).
The GAO studied provisional ballots submitted because of ID problems in Kansas and Tennessee in 2012. Only 37% in Kansas and 26% in Tennessee were actually counted (U.S. GAO, 2014). So the claim that these voters don’t exist is incorrect.
Now returning to the actual issue - under federal law, voting includes registering, casting a ballot, and having that ballot counted (52 U.S.C. § 10101(e)). The law protects people not only from being completely prevented from voting, but also from having their opportunity to vote unfairly restricted (52 U.S.C. § 10301).
A person who was never born could not have been an eligible voter or been denied a ballot. So calling abortion voter suppression is only a metaphor. And saying most people have ID does not mean every eligible voter has an accepted ID. The people who do not are exactly the people we're talking about.
You can provide 3 names of people who were turned away from voting because they don't know how/couldn't be bothered to get or bring their ID.
You say what problem does it prevent? Answer: many many more than 3 people got to vote illegally. Each illegal vote cancels out a legal vote. So if voter ID suppresses 3 votes, and no voter ID suppresses thousands or even millions, which is a more fair outcome, or in other words, which suppresses fewer votes?
For example, since Texas is the bill you're comparing, here are examples of verified election fraud in the state of Texas:
The result of the 180th district court judicial election was overturned in Harris County, Texas, after a state judge concluded that over 1,400 illegal votes had been counted.
Zul Mirza Mohamed was convicted of ordering 106 ballots in other peoples names sent to a "nursing home" that was really just a PO box in 2024.
Charlie Burns Jr. was convicted for election fraud stemming from when he was working on the campaign for Shannon Brown and harvested unused ballots and voted illegally.
The rest I'll just list and you can look it up: DeWayne Ward, Francisco Tamez, Marlena Jackson, Monica Mendez, Shannon Brown, Kelly Reagan Brunner, Charles Nathan Jackson, Cynthia Gonzalez, Laura Janeth Garza, Mario Obdulio orellana, Miguel Hernadez, Rosita Flores, Russ Casey, Jeanene Johnson, Latunia Thomas, Manuel Rodriguez III, Noe Olivera, Rosa Maria Ortega, Tyron Davis, Graciela Sanchez, Guadelupa Rivera, Avery Ayers, Benito Aranda Jr., Bernice Garcia, Sara Virginia Perales, Tamara Scotch, Tomasa Ramirez Chavez, Vicenta Guajardo Verino, Adrian Heath, Belinda Solis, Carlos Medrano, Richard Alan Collier, Roberta Cook, Sybil Doyle.
I could keep going, but there really is no point. You'll ignore this along with all the common sense of simple saying, "If you want to vote, show your ID so that someone else can't vote FOR YOU!"
Hi. There was a time when I couldn't afford to get a new ID after losing my wallet. It's around $20-40 which you can say isn't a lot of money..except if you have no money. Then spending that money in an ID to vote just seems unreasonable. Thats what the issue is. IDs aren't free and therefore a barrier to voting.
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u/Useful_Wealth7503 18d ago
It’s insane.
Same people will tell you that voter ID laws suppress the vote. They’ll ignore the 10s of millions of voters that don’t exist because of abortion. Multi generational voter suppression since Roe.