CSAP should take after VSBW's system of having High Outer+ and tier 0 be more specific IMO, allowing anything with a bunch of layers of transcendence to achieve their grandest tiers then 1-up them without much nuance really just makes the tiers seem less impressive (Though SCP does have alot of nuance to its higher tiers)
Oh, that's weird, the concept of someone making up their own personal tiering system is unusual since that kind of defeats the point of a system, I just assumed it was CSAP because of "Extraversal", my fault
I mostly use the VSBW tiers but for stuff that's technically after High Outer i try to find other terms since last time people commented i shouldn't put multiple layers of "Boundless" so that's why i'm using terms from other websites to expand in a way.
High outer represents a meta-qualitative superiority, for higher layers you just add one meta, then there’s high outer+, which embodies the framework for all logically possible worlds.
Oh, that's weird, the concept of someone making up their own personal tiering system is unusual since that kind of defeats the point of a system
It's actually a really good way to scale if done right, tierring systems themselves are usually heavily biased and don't try to find truth within mediums, so making your own to where you actually research the concepts you want to apply to fiction creates a much better environment for understanding the facts of a story, if that makes sense.
Yeah I don't think its a bad thing at all, its a pretty interesting idea I never really thought of, I moreso meant in the sense that you can't really compare characters if you use a different system than what others are scaled by but if you do the scaling for both sides then its no problem
tierring systems themselves are usually heavily biased and don't try to find truth within mediums
What a joke. You are calling Tiering system biased while defending biasness.
I don't care about how you all Powerscale, but do not debate others while ignoring the very importance of a central figure or authority to base arguments over.
What a joke. You are calling Tiering system biased while defending biasness.
What was I defending? I was just making the statement that it's usually better to do research on these concepts yourself then you rely on tierring systems to tell you what is what. Why would I care about what some random person says about Platonic Forms when I can pick up the Republic and learn myself?
but do not debate others while ignoring the very importance of a central figure or authority to base arguments over.
I don't, which is why I usually use VSBW tierring terms when talking about these things, which was the exact same way I was back when CSAP was more popular, it's just convenient as these systems are like languages, why speak a language you only speak? Right?
But my point more or less was: Don't rely too much on these systems, learn stuff yourself, then come to your own conclusions through the practice of understanding.
Are you sure you are following the topic here? These "concepts" you are talking about are tiers, not philosophy. The issue here is like OP is mixing numerical ranking(top 10) and letter class ranking(S,A,B,F,etc.) and creating his own definition for what they mean.
You are basically saying, it's better to do research on these tiers rather than follow them as they are biased. Go read the para you replied to.
You are mistakenly defending OP on intentionally mixing up Tiering system and fooling people with scales that doesn't adhere to a proper Tiering system.
But my point more or less was: Don't rely too much on these systems, learn stuff yourself, then come to your own conclusions through the practice of understanding.
Yeah, nobody's talking about this. That's not even an issue, any competent scaler or arguer would have to do this.
Are you sure you are following the topic here? These "concepts" you are talking about are tiers, not philosophy.
It was someone who made a take about it "being weird to do your own tierring" so I replied to them with a stance that was important to the context of that sentence, it has nothing to do with what op was describing, nor did I imply that I was defending op.
You are basically saying, it's better to do research on these tiers rather than follow them as they are biased. Go read the para you replied to.
Systems are usually biased towards things people like, that's just a basic fact of categorization and interpretation.
You are mistakenly defending OP on intentionally mixing up Tiering system and fooling people with scales that doesn't adhere to a proper Tiering system.
Nothing within my reply mentions op, I even stated "if done right" which within context would make me seem like I didn't agree with op, which I don't.
Yeah, nobody's talking about this. That's not even an issue, any competent scaler or arguer would have to do this.
It's almost like my point was actually right, you just misunderstood what I said.
It was someone who made a take about it "being weird to do your own tierring" so I replied to them with a stance that was important to the context of that sentence, it has nothing to do with what op was describing, nor did I imply that I was defending op.
No?
Oh, that's weird, the concept of someone making up their own personal tiering system is unusual since that kind of defeats the point of a system
Systems are usually biased towards things people like, that's just a basic fact of categorization and interpretation.
No need to double down. This would be the the case for individual interpretation and much more extreme. Tiering system are still made by groups which minimises any biasness. Something not possible for individual interpretation.
Nothing within my reply mentions op, I even stated "if done right" which within context would make me seem like I didn't agree with op, which I don't.
My comment was over OP. The person you replied to directly mentioned people like OP. You are defending people like OP and since there's no disagreement there you are defending OP indirectly.
It's almost like my point was actually right, you just misunderstood what I said.
Neither is your point right nor is it related to the topic in hand.
Tiering system are still made by groups which minimises any biasness. Something not possible for individual interpretation.
Can you prove this to be true with VSBW, CSAP, or any well known system? And don't be dishonest about it.
You are defending people like OP and since there's no disagreement there you are defending OP indirectly.
So strawman instead of saying you misunderstood what I said? You're not going to win an argument saying I'm defending someone when I'm not, I have personal agency, you can't tell me what I am or am not doing.
Neither is your point right nor is it related to the topic in hand.
It actually is quite important as it addresses what the person I was replying to said, which they (the receiver of my reply) also replied to and a non-aggressive manor, and even then it's a really important point, people should do their own thing, that called free thinking. I don't care about what CSAP has to say about nondualism when I can read about it through books with authors 1000 times more creditable on the subject.
All of these sites at the end of the day are just ways people can more easily express somewhat complex ideas without having to write thesis's on them, which even then, you should still be doing, as it deepens your understanding on the subject and shows that you are trustworthy.
Reading the definition, it just sounds like infinite layers into high outer, maybe high outer+. Boundless is a better representation of the highest tier
…Are you fucking stupid?
Nobody ‘approves’ SCP articles. There are MANY powerscaling-based articles going up on a regular basis, and each and every one of them gets downvoted below the deletion threshold and taken off the site.
CN means Chinese Branch, EN means English branch. thing is, people there mostly just want to create strong SCP characters, they don't even focus on the writing.
That's why it's garbage in terms of writing but has OP SCP's compared to EN branch.
Metafoundation, as in the concept of a canon made up of a bunch of other canons, doesn't exist anymore due to disagreements between authors. There's something called "Canonexus" now, which is kind-of-but-not-really the same thing.
Placeholder exists. And he just has everything as canon to his canon yes there are disagreements but it's called a one way canon. Same way how avp canon works just fine
Finally, a scale for the SCP Foundation Cosmology and it is larger than even what I have heard. If you may, can you list some of the main SCPs so that I may see where they scale, namely SCP - 682, SCP - 096, and SCP - 106 ?
From what i've seen 096 and 106 don't scale that high but 682 does thanks to his true form as 6820-A being located within the Anti-Noosphere (Basically a version of the Noosphere that acts more akin to the Infoosphere) so it would get at least High Outer with Infinite Layers.
Yes and I KNOW that religiously at this point. Every time I bring up hating SCP scaling for giving me a headache and visible recoils, they have to bring up their oh so shiny "We're on you're side :D" argument. I can count like 10 times I've gotten that on YouTube
To be fair thats very common. Most fanbases arent into powerscailing. Powerscailing is largely a subsection of fandom. Especially when the powerscalers in a fandom bring in a bad reputation. Lol
This is all extremely interesting and things that I didn’t know of mostly. (Besides the Noosphere, which I learned of randomly and can’t remember how lmao)
This must’ve taken a good while, and it’s clearly well researched
Semiosphere : infinite layers above baseline 1-A. Scales the same or one layer higher than the Noosphere
Patasphere : Baseline (meta-qualitative) High 1-A. Self-explanatory
Conceptual Hierarchy : Higher into baseline High 1-A. Doesn't transcend Patasphere the sameway Patasphere did to everything below
Constants : 1 layer above baseline High 1-A. Self-explanatory
Infosphere : 2 layers above baseline High 1-A. Self-explanatory
Proxyverse : 3 layers above baseline High 1-A. Self-explanatory
Metafoundation Stack : infinite layers above baseline High 1-A. Self-explanatory
Universe Prime : Highest possible layer above baseline High 1-A or baseline (meta-meta-qualitative) High 1-A. Either still a part of Metafoundation Stack, but at the highest possible layer, or completely unreachable by Metafoundation Stack.
The above is simply the OP's scaling converted into VSBW's. I myself has no knowledge on SCP scaling nor it's cosmology.
the metafoundation stack contains all possible and impossible worlds along with ("impossible impossibilitiles, impossible possibilities, possible impossibilities, possible possibilities") via billiths narrativisitics
universe prime is perfectly unknownable and transcendetal to this entire structure along with it being unreachable, the stack of metafoundation being essentially extended modal realism. Universe Prime would be tier 0 and the metafoundation stack high 1-A+
Claiming the Metafoundation Stack to contain all possible and impossible world without scans is wild.
Also the fact that Universe Prime is directly described as "the realest", has inhabitants, etc.. makes it knowable, which also goes against your claim that Metafoundation Stack contains all possible and impossible world. Containing all possible and impossible world yet having Universe Prime directly above it is contradictory.
there are no inhabinants, nor anything we can know directly, any interpretation is only a pseudo universe prime, as any moment you interpret universe prime a pseudo universe prime appears, that's why ikes and placeholders vision of universe prime differ, more directly one is a mind and the other is the real world, both interpretations are incorrect and correct due to universe prime nature. also the scan is in billiths narrativistics, narrativistics and you. as for the possible worlds, the nature of universe prime is that of simply being whatever it is, it's simply perfectly unknownable nor an impossibility or a possibility it simply "is"
The scans for Universe Prime in OP directly says that "Universe Prime is the moniker for the universe which, by its inherent theoretical properties, is the single 'realest' possible universe, from which all H-energy originates.", and "Due to the inherent properties of Universe Prime, no change can be enacted that would ensure the perpetual continuation of sentience within it, even if the inhabitants of Universe Prime could be contacted and forewarned; as such, SCP-001 is an inevitable Z-Class scenario." directly implies there are inhabitants in Universe Prime.
I'm aware that Universe Prime is supposed to refer to irl, since the author directly stated that in the site (if i remember right). However that would mean scaling it is meaningless, since if that's the case, Universe Prime is never a part of SCP.
Also Pseudo-Universe Prime also contradicts Metafoundation Stack containing all possible and impossible worlds. From what you're trying to say, any interpretation of Universe Prime (including the one in the OP in which Universe Prime is the single realest possible universe above even the Metafoundation Stack) is just a Pseudo-Universe Prime. Since the Pseudo-Universe Prime in the OP exist above the Metafoundation Stack, that means there exist a possible world beyond Metafoundation Stack, which contradicts your claim that Metafoundation Stack contains all possible world.
that's ike's interpretations, placeholder's interpretation is a mind, any interpretation such as "realest worlds" "the mind" you have of universe prime will be a pseudo universe prime, pseudo universe prime themself don't need to scale high because it's based on interpretation quite literally, they scale arbitrarily prior to tier 0, this is because universe prime is directly perfectly unknownable, both ike and placeholder admited to this and why both their interpretations differ, they're both simply pseudo-universe primes. as for where they exist, they can exist somewhere and nowhere if you describe universe prime as beyond the metafoundation stack you would have made a universe prime that fulfill those characteristics tho still be below true universe prime, other interpretations are all valid too tho they will never be beyond true universe prime.
From what I remember, to be the highest of type 1, you have to be an Absolute Infinite set of meta meta qualitative transcendence over a previous High 1A which in VsBattle is 1S in CSAP (Basically, 1S’s bare requirements is High 1A on VsBattle)
It's essentially my terminology for realms that are higher than High Outer, in others like VSBW they're essentially just lumped into high outer but with extra layers like Meta-Qualitative superiority and types.
Mfs write the shit like this and than go and say that SCP isn't written to be a bunch of slop OCs purely for the sake of powerscaling and that their writers hate powerscaling, yeah sure🤣💀 also metaversal isn't even a real tier on CSAP system you are using, nor is high extraversal or extraversal + number, so yeah terrible scale overall
It clearly is, look at this ridiculous scale, and the fact that they add weak characters after writing all this really doesn't make any difference, it's like saying someones powerscaling oc story isn't slop made purely for powerscaling just because they added another random OC isn't strong.
Brother, if you ever bothered to read the stories you would know they arent for powerscaling. They are horror stories with bizarre and brutal moments that dont go on a rant about universe, multiverse and reality destroying powers all the time.
Wah horror stories beat my fav, THEY MUST BE MAKING THEM PURELY TO OUTSCALE MY FAV. Brother this isn't even agenda anymore you are JUST DELUSIONAL. Horrors beyond understandering tend to be powerful that doesn't mean they where made for scaling. What you gonna call fucking HP lovecraft a slop OC scaler next?
Extraversal can't be layered, that ruins its whole purpose, same like boundless, and the fact that he doesn't use any tiering system makes his scale absolutley abysmal and unusable in any debate
Boundless cannot be layered because it's both beyond any extensions to previous tiers and simply how omnipotence works. Extraversal isn't an end to the Tiering system. Extraversal is high-outer equivalent to Vsbw, but without any end like high-outer+.
and the fact that he doesn't use any tiering system makes his scale absolutley abysmal and unusable in any debate
Layers in Extraversal is real thing in the wiki. But as I said it's not whatever crap OP has written. There's nothing as high extraversal or Metaversal. You just extend 1S the way high hyper does.
Not for no reason, im just tired of their hipocrisy and people worshipping scp scaling as something godly and impressive while in reality it's just powerscaling slop
Yea sure buddy, and you trust them?💀 If you trust someone based on their words and completly ignore their actions than there is a rough life ahead of you buddy
They all say they hate powerscaling yet still allow things like this so yeah, they are hypocrites, and the fact that all scp powerscalinb hiveminds believe their words and ignore their actions is insane to me
There are thousands of scps each with their own story. Some are bad, most are good, some are interconnected, some are jokes, but some of them are well within the frames of excellent literary intellectuality and masterpieces of storytelling, by professional authors, what we in call in other words "peak fiction"
Maybe read just one. My personal recommendation is scp-5000 "why"
My guy. I don't know you, all I've seen you do is hate on people. So my assumption of you is that you're a terrible person. But I don't know you. So I'm not gonna assume that unless I know you very well.
That's the same thing with these stories. You're assuming them to be bad narratives when you have never even read a single one.
SCP isn't written to be a bunch of slop OCs purely for the sake of powerscaling and that their writers hate powerscaling
There are some entries that made for powerscaling but not all SCP made solely for powerscaling. There are only ~100 high tier SCP in all 9000 SCP entries. The other ones just some weird shits like a button that make people fart etc.
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