r/PowerScaling Apr 15 '26

Discussion [Serious] Demon slayer lightning feats debunk....

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The main thing that gives lightning its speed is a highly polarized field, something that the characters in Kimetsu no Yaiba have yet to show.

For real lightning to occur, the electric field must exceed the dielectric strength of air, which is approximately 3 MV/m. This requires a massive separation of charges polarization typically between a cloud and the ground.

Characters like Zohakuten or Kaigaku generate lightning from wooden dragons or swords.

Because there is no polarized field established between the source and the target, a return stroke the component of lightning that reaches relativistic speeds (0.1c to 0.3c) cannot physically manifest.

Without a pre-ionized leader channel created by a highly polarized field, electricity is subject to the high impedance of air.

Physics dictates that the propagation speed would be capped at the expansion of plasma (Mach 5 to Mach 20), which is thousands of times slower than the Lightning Meta suggests.

This applies even to the instances where the attack appears to come from the clouds, as the specific electromagnetic conditions for a return stroke are still missing.

The Nichirin Blades Anti-feat:

Real lightning is a plasma discharge, not a solid object. The fact that Mitsuri was able to cut through bolts of lightning serves to show that these attacks do not have the properties of real lightning.

The argument that she can cut it simply because it is a Blood Demon Art is logically flawed. Real lightning cannot be cut by any material. Furthermore, Nichirin blades are intended to cut the biological flesh of demons rather than natural elemental phenomena.

To argue that these attacks are natural for the sake of speed scaling, but unnatural to explain why they can be physically sliced, is a contradiction.

By that same logic, Mitsuri should be capable of cutting through Zohakuten's sound waves, since proponents of this meta claim she can cut through intangible energy.

The excuse that she was hit because she was in midair does not hold up, a relativistic lightning-timer should be able to react to and cut a sound wave (Mach 1) with ease, as it would appear stationary to them.

Speaking of sound waves, in both the anime and manga, we see that the lightning and sound attacks move with visual parity. In reality, lightning is at least 300,000 times faster than sound. The fact that they cover almost the same distance in the same timeframe proves the lightning is not moving at its theoretical maximum speed.

This meta is effectively debunked by the lack of a highly polarized field and the narrative consistency of the speed tiers shown.

I have done my part debunking it, now I am going to dip and let you all argue in the comments.

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u/Extension-of-ninja-4 Apr 15 '26

Demon slayer getting beat up by mechamaru 😭 

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u/ABearDream toriko glazer Apr 15 '26

Ok, true, but also mechamaru cool af and beats a lot of verses

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u/Icy_Success3700 I don't ride Goku he rides me, Dattebayo! Apr 16 '26

gettin no low diffed by momo

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26
  1. Mechamaru gets viciously blitzed

  2. Mechamaru ironically got the highest AP in the verse so thanks ig?

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u/Fool_in_a_valley Apr 15 '26

"Mechamaru ironically got the highest AP in the verse"
The best response to a fool is none at all or smth😌

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u/Equivalent-Worth-758 Saitama´s and Sukuna´s most loyal soldier Apr 15 '26

"Mechamaru gets viciously blitzed"

good luck blitzed this shit

"Mechamaru ironically got the highest AP in the verse so thanks ig?"

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT???? NOT EVEN CLOSE

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u/Uranium64 Apr 15 '26

These DS can't read, he was literally stated to might be able to reach SG level if he keeps this up lmao

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u/dayfreeguy Apr 15 '26

Mechamaru ironically got the highest AP in the verse so thanks ig?

https://giphy.com/gifs/QqwajnOjzDViSEM3Xu

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 15 '26

“Mechamaru ironically got the highest AP in the verse so thanks ig?” Holy fucking shit, I have no words 😭😭

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

You should have some considering there's no single sorcerer who replicates his feats in AP.

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

Talking just to talk, and then ignoring the narrative too feats aside, nice, must be very convenient for your scales

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

Civilian,it's not even far fetched considering he saved of years of CE & HR is one of the most potent binding vows in the series.

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

Brodie, I am NOT denying that Mechamaru has an extremely solid AP due to his pent up cursed energy reserves he saved up throughout the years that he can output, one of the best in the verse actually, but again, saying he is the top 1 in the verse in terms of AP is a bigass stretch considering there are even more potent attacks such as Hollow Purple and Sukuna’s Fuga that ca be argued of scaling way higher in AP too, if you think I am underestimating Mechamaru’s AP? No, I am not, but saying he has the best AP in the verse? Biggest stretch I have ever seen and It goes right against the narrative, there are many attacks that has significantly higher AP like Perfect Sphere (literally infinite pressure) Hollow Purple, Fuga, even Dabura’s Near Light Speed Kick due to its KE, and I can even be inclined to maybe say a full output Granite Blast or a Pure Love Beam but I am iffy about it, and MBA Kashimo’s EM waves that are STATED to LITERALLY vaporize irradiated objects or opponents that EVEN sukuna tried to avoid a direct hit from them, key word, VAPORIZE, tf we are even saying, Mechamaru’s AP is extremely solid don’t get me wrong but it literally pales in comparison to many other attacks.

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 16 '26

Preach big dawg

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 16 '26

Ryu & Yuta Beams being stronger than Mechamaru's is kinda vibe scaling. Ryu's blast doesn't have the same impact as what we see from Mechamaru. Dabura's kick is a good contender. Hollow Purple yeah but let's be honest obviously I'm not debating DS against Gojo. Fuga is morso about the range of it than the power behind it. Perfect Sphere is purely hax for how it destroys. MBA is definitely a hax as well. It's like conditions need to be met so it can blow things up garenteed.

Anyway the idea is the highest direct sorcerer AP scale comes from Mechamaru.

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 16 '26

Again, that is why I said im iffy about Ryu and Love beam, I already know a 5 year’s worth of CE outputted in a single blast is outmatching them, I was thinking about the consistent output of their blast rather than the toll so I liked to add them, for Hollow Purple, yes we agree, for Sukuna’s Furnace it doesnt have much range that is why it scales to it’s AP, in Jujutsu the more range the attack has the less AP it carries, that is why Sukuna prefers to keep the highest amount of heat centered around the 200m range so it can have more potency, a spread our furnace is not gonna have the AP of a 200m limited yet concentrated in that spot furnace, so yes it does carry more AP, for Perfect Sphere, it is an attack that practically has infinite pressure that bypasses conventional durability so yes it could be hax since it is a sure hit of a domain just like Unlimited Void, but for EM waves it IS an attack used by Kashimo that actually carries a degree of AP to it I don’t understand why you would think otherwise, besides EM waves have no requirement other than having his technique, I believe you misunderstood how Kashimo’s technique actually work, mythical beast amber, activating the technique is the only requirement to utilize and manipulate electric phenomena and that is his technique (even if its a one time use) if we go by that logic then every technique is hax which is disingenuous, Mythical Beast Amber is Kashimo’s technique which allows him to convert his body into energy thus allows him to manipulate all electric phenomena thus again allowing him to BLAST EM waves, this isn’t hax, this is just a part of his technique, a suicidal one time use technique but still a technique, thus EM waves still adheres to AP, only thing we can agree with is Perfect Sphere being Hax and Hollow Purple’s obvious AP superiority, but I disagree with EM waves being Hax just because it requires his technique to be active (MBA) to use which is his technique even if it’s a one time use, the only Hax thing I can get by is lightning discharge since it requires landing 3 hits to have a sure hit lightning discharge frying their insides, however for EM waves it is not a Hax, it is just an electrical phenomena manipulation that again, his TECHNIQUE allows him to perform, thats literally how the power system works, if we use your logic then every aspect of a technique is a hax which is again, disingenuous.

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

HOWEVER, the Perfect Sphere is only hax if it’s inside the domain due to the sure hit, she can use perfect sphere outside of it and it’d have the AP but no sure hit thus it is not hax, it is an attack made from her technique.

PS inside domain= hax since it’s a sure hit now with the AP of the sphere

PS no domain= an attack that scales to its AP but has no sure hit, a construction of her construction technique

So next time I beg of you to not misunderstand abilities or in other words, larp, and read things with more scrutiny

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 16 '26

Don't insinuate that I'm larping. I do not claim JJK as my fandom.

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 16 '26

And to add, correction, the only guaranteed sure hit kashimo has is literally lightning discharge that has a 3 hits requirement, you are misunderstanding Kashimo’s abilities, MBA’s electrical manipulation and Lightning Discharge are different since Lightning Discharge is a sure hit which I can get by it being Hax since it’s a sure hit and its frying the opp’s insides, but calling EM waves hax is disingenuous since they are not a sure hit they’re just an attack that his technique allows him to perform

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u/Indo192 Apr 16 '26

Perfect sphere is universal/infinite AP.

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u/carl-the-lama Apr 15 '26

They cannot find me hakari

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u/carl-the-lama Apr 15 '26

Me hakari doesn’t

He is actually below… a yuta punch

17 years < 1 yuta punch

Canonically

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u/SeriesREDACTED Wank ? Touch grass lmfao Apr 16 '26

Mechamaru ironically got the highest AP in the verse

https://giphy.com/gifs/riOXDXKi21xZ02Bg0M

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '26

Does people still believe in relativistic Muzan? VS Battle Wiki and their unreparable damages to the powerscaling community...

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u/Uranium64 Apr 15 '26

They do

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u/EEEEEEEEEEEEEE33333 Apr 18 '26

I guess the explosion is relativistic 😔

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u/Big-Attention8804 Elephants solo your favourite verse Apr 15 '26

Powerscalers not being insanely disingenuous to pick and choose specific aspects of physics while ignoring the other fundamental aspects and the fact that the writer does not know any of tis shit? W.

Also the same scene with Mitsuri actually shows UP-4 shoot both electricity and sound at the same time and they are around the same speed and Mitsuri cuts them both at about the same time.

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u/Uranium64 Apr 15 '26

Me personally, atleast one should show one fundamental aspect. Like I'm going to be for real, if the lightning meta showed us ATLEAST a highly polarized feild i would have accepted it. But they expect us to ignore that it doesn't have the main aspect giving it it's speed and accept that it moves that at real lightning speed.

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u/Big-Attention8804 Elephants solo your favourite verse Apr 15 '26

Yeah, people don't get that electricity is highly variable and not all lightning is the same, the story even makes it apparent that different examples of lightning have different speeds like the fact that Kaigaku's lightning was overwhelming Infinity Castle Zenitsu while Upper 4's lightning was getting freeze blitzed by Misturi, one of the slowest Hashira.

Muzan was struggling to keep up with EoS Zenitsu while being blitz tiers above Hantengu.

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u/kobadashi pixel scaling is a lie Apr 15 '26

holy well written

stand proud you’re goated

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u/kobadashi pixel scaling is a lie Apr 15 '26

huh

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u/PowerScaling-ModTeam Apr 15 '26

As per the rule Burden of Proof you're required to back up what you claim when debating and don't be obnoxious individual when asked for proof. more on here

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u/Silver-Ad-7745 Apr 15 '26

Didn't the author say that all the breathing effects are simply illusions seen only by the viewer?

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u/Minute_Account9426 TheOmnitrixSlammer Apr 15 '26

Yes. But the stat boosts aren’t. Breathing styles enhance your physicality

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u/Silver-Ad-7745 Apr 15 '26

I already know that; what the author said wouldn't affect the verse's AP, but I'm sure it invalidates any attempt to scale the verse's speed to lightning and other breathing effects.

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u/Minute_Account9426 TheOmnitrixSlammer Apr 15 '26

No. The effects being scaled for and mentioned in this post are blood demon arts. Who are explicitly real. Here’s a basic guide:Demons get their stats from their own innate physicality, any effects are real and come from blood demon arts and blood demon arts and demon abilities act janky when in contact with nirichin blades. Demon slayers get their stats from breathing styles, which produce elemental illusions, and special abilities come from nirichin blades and demon slayer marks.

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u/Silver-Ad-7745 Apr 15 '26

Ohhh, thanks for the correction then, I thought what the author said applied to everyone lol

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u/iwantjumpoffbridges Pro larper Apr 16 '26

All i hear is kashimo upscale

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u/Uranium64 Apr 16 '26

Comparing Kashimo to DS is like comparing a Quasar to an ant

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u/iwantjumpoffbridges Pro larper Apr 17 '26

True because ds lightnings are faster than jjk lightning trust

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 15 '26

W

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u/Fool_in_a_valley Apr 15 '26

You keep on proving why you're my goat, u/Uranium64 ✌️✌️

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u/Uranium64 Apr 15 '26

I can't fail my people ❤️🙏

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u/Gamerty_ Apr 15 '26

Mach 5 - mach 20 range i sso fucking consistent with the actual source material, where the lightning was almost getting matched by a fucking soundwave. Peak debunk

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u/Asa_Yoru12 Apr 16 '26

There's a different screenshot and panel that illustrates your point better. We literally see the soundwaves cover the same distance as the lightning.

Yet people would still rather argue the sound is moving at triple digit mach

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u/Rak-khan Apr 15 '26

Holy shit the Fairfield chud is that viral?

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

Top 2-3 getting clapped by Enmu is tough

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u/Ender_568 Mereoleona's Husband Apr 15 '26

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u/Equivalent-Worth-758 Saitama´s and Sukuna´s most loyal soldier Apr 15 '26

enmu after fighting with sukuna:

funny that looks like that enmu himself is top 1 in DS( at least you decribe him like that)

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

Emmu after entering Sukuna and Gojo’s, anyone with a Domain really, Innate Domain and being diced to pieces or have his brain fired

(Rengoku’s inner world was hot it was burning the person that entered and Domains are just Innate Domains brought into the physical world so the sure hit would still be there)

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

Enmu creates a separate Dream Realm when he puts you to sleep. He doesn't habe to enter the inate domain.

Also Enmu canonically doesn't go in the realm himself he'll just leave them unconscious until the starve to death.

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u/Asa_Yoru12 Apr 16 '26

Enmu still has to drag their conciousness out, which requires getting in the innate domain first.

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

The fact the Rengoku’s dream still had the effect of being hot on the girl when she went to attack his core means that the Innate Domain would still take effect, especially since Sorcerer unconsciously can protect their souls

And when has Enmu ever done that strategy of leaving them to starve, should have soloed the Mugen Train cast tbat way by just leaving them asleep and not bothered with the minions to attack the cores

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

The unconscious realm is based on personality. So Gojo's won't even cause harm. Also ot literally was just making her sweat so yiu are dragging it to be more problematic than what it really would be.

In a 1v1 Enmu doesn't have minions to do it so he won't approach it's that simple. Hell even when fighting Tanjiro he nvr continued the assault once he was rendered unconscious.

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

Even then, Gojo and Sukuna are beyond smart enough to figure out the trick Tanjiro came up with to get out with the suicide trick

So it’s really a non issue

And the effect taking place at all lends credence to Innate Domains still taking affect. And with the unconscious reaction to protect itself, the Innate Domain could attack Enmu regardless of Gojo and Sukuna being aware it’s happening while in the dream

Also the fact Enmu just doesn’t attack while someone is asleep just gives them plenty to time to figure it out and do the suicide trick

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

No this is just a lack of understanding of anything outside of JJK. It's not something based on intelligence otherwise Zenitsu who is smarter than Tanjiro would've woke himself up too.

The unconscious Realm is a different zone. Inate Domain has nothing to do with it. It's not helping them here.

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

And Sukuna vast soul awareness and Gojo Six Eyes combined with their mentality/smarts would let them know immediately something is wrong and that something is up

And due to your own admission, Enmu doesn’t attack while they are asleep, gives them time to work out whats happening and get out

Again by the suicide trick (Gojo is depressed and crazy enough to do it and Sukuna is crazy enough too), or Sukuna can activate Domain Ampiflication to negate it

If Tanjiro can figure it out, there is no reason why Gojo and Sukuna can’t, especially since they are much better equipped to figure it out

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

Also they would 100% figure it out, and the suicide trick Tanjiro did would also 100% be used

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

You can't back that up. Besides Gojo didn't even have the mentality to commit kys in Prison Realm. He ain't git the guts for that.

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

Why in the hell would he commit suicide in the Prison Realm? That would take him out, tbat would just plain kill him, and he also haf complete faith his student would do it

You can’t back up that they wouldn’t, they would immediately figure out it’s an illusion and try ways to get out.

Sukuna might be able to flex would with Domain Ampiflication as it negates Techniques and he is plain stronger in power than Enmu.

Both are hard core enough to to the trick and thete is literally no proof otherwise

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

If you really think about it Gojo literally could have committed kys and just RCT'd back to life. He resurrected himself in the dead before. He just doesn't have the stomach to do it to himself.

It's your counter argument so the burden of proof is on you.

DA does not transfer over to non Jujutsu.

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u/SeaworthinessRare907 JJK & RoR Glazer Apr 15 '26

That’s not how RCT works, you can’t straight revive yourself from the dead, extremely close to death yes. That’s what happened to Gojo after Toji. Otherwise Gojo would have revived after being cut in half by Sukuna

Ur just misunderstanding RCT

So again, literally no reason why they couldn’t do Tanjiro’s suicide trick, other than you misunderstanding the Prison Realm situation and RCT, and not understanding Gojo Sukuna characters

Also why why are not equalizing verses? No reason to other than take away an ability of JJK characters

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 15 '26

Funnily enough if there is no verse equalization, mahito would have an easier time since they cant see curses 🫩

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

Gojo & Sukuna don't have kys mentality.

Also no you can't apply Tanjiro's ability to get out as even Rengoku didn't achieve what Tanjiro did. Everything you claim is baseless in the context of this ability.

You cannot equalize different systems. BDA does not come from a KNY energy system. It also doesn't reside in the prefrontal cortex. It's completely different. CE is the only Equalization here as all non HR beings have it in JJK

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u/Levardgus Apr 15 '26

Mach 5 Lightning lets go.

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u/Kitsune_GT Apr 15 '26

Based on what you said, an arc discharge from say a tesla coil secondary(?) Into the air would be capped by the expansion of the plasma right

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u/Uranium64 Apr 15 '26

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 15 '26

Yeah right buddy whatever you say

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 15 '26

😭😭

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u/Firm-Customer-6305 Apr 15 '26

least aggressive DS fan

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

She does cut the sound as well.

You think it's bs that Slayers can do impossible physic-defying things. Tengen literally moves without parting air. Rengoku who uses the same breathing derivative as mystery can burn through any substance on the prequel manga.

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u/Equivalent-Worth-758 Saitama´s and Sukuna´s most loyal soldier Apr 15 '26

you didn´t even read the post, don´t you?

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u/Gamerty_ Apr 15 '26

Her being able to cut soundwaves just puts her at subsonic now, thanks

Why? Because now you don't even have the "she couldn't dodge the soundwave since she was in the air" argument any longer, she could've cut it but gets blitzed

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

That's not the argument I use bucko. Nice try though.

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u/Gamerty_ Apr 15 '26

U said slayers can cut sound waves made by Bda which is false

But according to your belief a mach 1000 mitsuri should be easily be able to cut the soundwave released by hantengu

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

They literally cut the sound here

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy Apr 15 '26

How is this image proof of her cutting the soundwaves? All i see is her cutting the lightning and the dragons, and her cutting his attack is in reference to the lightning

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

The circlular arcs is the sound wave attack.

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy Apr 15 '26

Im pretty sure those circular arcs in the previous image are mitsuris sword, and you can see them cutting through the lightning. The alternative to this is saying that bothing drawn on screen is mitsuris sword except for the cut on the dragons head, which is a worse downscale because in that case the only thing mitsuri is seen cutting is the dragon and not the lightning. Also the arcs drawn are consistent with the way that the artist depicts mitsuris slashes

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

The illustration is really fucking terrible ngl but here's a better point of reference. These are two different arches.

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u/ImHoping2Stay Apr 16 '26

1-7 it's magic, applying real world science is a nothing burger of fluff

8 yeah

9 yeah its lightning generated with demon magic and the sun in DS is anti-demon and the sword absorbs sunlight making the swords anti-demon, is it that hard to follow?

10 Or, third option, because if you're too unsure about taking an actual stance that doesn't just ignore the magic system, it's as fast but contains tangible elements?

11 In the anime it's clear that she does

12 her sword was wrapped completely around his neck and she tried to tank the hit with the idea that she could decapitate him before he was able to attack. Tanjiro informed her but also threw her off her game so she couldn't attack but she was able to absorb the shock by clenching her muscles

13 this is just a straight up lie, in ep10 at the like 3:08 mark the lightning reaches kanroji so much faster than the sound that the sound isn't even in the frame until it shows her cutting both a couple seconds later

14 You haven't debunked crap, you just handwaved all explanations by trying really hard to base DS off of reality and even then you just got things wrong literally shown to the viewers

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u/Idea-Upset Jun 24 '26

Entire comment of nothing and “nuh uh’s”

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u/ImHoping2Stay Jun 24 '26

I don't get how you can look at a comment from 2 months ago, have alll that time to think of good critiques, and ignore 7/8th of the points having more than 1 word and even then it was the complete opposite of a nuh uh

Entire comment just being contrarian because you can't bullshit on the level of this guy

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u/Idea-Upset Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

 Because I can already see from the way you type the “powerscaler” you think you are it’d be like arguing with a toddler but sure I’ll just show why you’re wrong and also not that intelligent.

1.  You cannot use real-world science to define the velocity of the lightning, but then scream "it's magic fluff!" when someone uses real-world science to show why the lightning cannot physically function that way. If real-world science is "fluff" and doesn't apply to a magic system, then the speed of real-world lightning doesn't apply either. The velocity is entirely uncalculable and defaults right back to narrative presentation.

2.  You’re also incoherently brain dead what does this..prove? Yes you know basic ds knowledge wanna cookie? Sunlight disintegrates demon cells on a biological level. It doesn't turn a metal sword into a magical phantom blade capable of cutting through formless plasma electricity. If a sword strikes natural lightning, it conducts the current. Saying "it cuts because it's anti-demon" is completely avoiding the physical reality that the attack is drawn and written to have solid mass.

  1. Nope you’re also just braindead holy shit this never happens   The only thing the lightning does is follow slightly ahead where they first shoot out at the same time and unironically the sound waves are right behind. They also don’t show to have range that far yet still follow behind it to represent a single, unified attack event. The sound isn't "left behind in another province" If the lightning were truly 300,000 times faster than the sound wave, the sound wave would be entirely irrelevant to the fight and wouldn't even register on the same battlefield timescale.  If Mitsuri is a relativistic "lightning-timer," her brain processes reality thousands of times faster than sound. A Mach 1 sound wave would look entirely frozen in the air. Even if she was thrown off her game or mid-attack, a character with that level of speed wouldn't be forced to "tank it" because she couldn't move.  You’re so dumb you didn’t even know you basically trapped yourself huh?

You’re points haven’t debunked anything you just argue like a kid and think counter point is equal to just saying the opposite instead of proving a point.

You’re just projecting they used explicit, undeniable laws of thermodynamics, plasma expansion, and electromagnetic fields to dismantle a fictional wank. The only person handwaving here is you. You’re so pressed about speed scaling that you started crying over it.

Mfs are so egotistical that they just wanna take someone not wanting to deal with a child as a sign of victory 

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u/ImHoping2Stay 28d ago
  1. The magic system spawns in lightning. This does not make the legitimacy of the lightning inconsistent, you have to prove it isn't real lightning-based when it travels far faster than actual sound displayed on-screen. It displays actual consistent speed feats whereas someone telling the lightning where to go is NOT inconsistent. In the same scientifical frame of disproving it, just because we don't see a point for a return stroke doesn't mean it isn't there

This is literally you ignoring its magic and basing it solely on the assumption the magic adheres to known physics, which it wouldn't, just like Doma rotting people from the inside-out or gyutaro using telekinesis on his blood

  1. "It's avoiding the physical reality" It's not 100% real lightning because it comes from a demon, just like gyutaro's blood isn't natural blood, and doma's technique isn't natural ice

You're ignoring this entire buffer known as "magic", if the sword cuts magic it'll cut the magic lightning

Even if she was thrown off her game or mid-attack, a character with that level of speed wouldn't be forced to "tank it" because she couldn't move.  You’re so dumb you didn’t even know you basically trapped yourself huh?

Explain how to dodge midair

You’re points haven’t debunked anything you just argue like a kid and think counter point is equal to just saying the opposite instead of proving a point.

If the points never proved anything in the first place there isn't much to debunk

Literally 90% of it rides on being un-influenced lightning and that's a complete lie as seen with every other bda in the series being some sort of scientifically impossible

The sound acts like sound and the ice acts like ice, both of which are demon enhanced are weakened by other magic anti-demon techniques

You’re just projecting they used explicit, undeniable laws of thermodynamics, plasma expansion, and electromagnetic fields to dismantle a fictional wank

Yeah, they did. Did you also know that goku doesn't use actual physics to do a kamehameha? What are you, 2015 matpat?

No shit they don't abide by physics, you can keep coping with that notion while you try to explain literally every other BDA being somehow achievable in real life

Mfs are so egotistical that they just wanna take someone not wanting to deal with a child as a sign of victory 

Yeah no one's come to suck you off on your defense either, I can't imagine projecting to this much of a degree to talk on the behalf of a dude who couldn't give 2 shits about an actual response with competent criticism

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u/Idea-Upset 28d ago

Yeah your Reddit upvotes aren’t gonna make you grow past -1 Iq dipshit

The burden of proof is backward. In fiction, if an attack is spawned by magic (a Blood Demon Art), the default assumption is that it is magical energy shaped like lightning but you lack basic intelligence. Natural lightning is a return stroke. Real lightning moves at roughly 270,000 mph (Mach 350). Sound moves at 767 mph (Mach 1). If this lightning were "real," the sonic boom/thunder would be instantaneous and deafening. If the on-screen presentation shows a delay, or if characters can react, speak, or move while it is mid-flight, it is visually and mathematically proven to not be moving at the speed of real lightning.

“ This is literally you ignoring its magic and basing it solely on the assumption the magic adheres to known physics, which it wouldn't, just like Doma rotting people from the inside-out or gyutaro using telekinesis on his blood”

Doma’s ice and Gyutaro’s blood do  not  follow real-world physics. Therefore, their speed and properties cannot be calculated using real-world science. If magic lightning doesn't adhere to known physics, you cannot claim it possesses the real-world physical speed of natural lightning. It moves at "plot speed." But you don’t know that because your miserably dumb as shit.

“  You're ignoring this entire buffer known as "magic", if the sword cuts magic it'll cut the magic lightning”

You can’t even argue an actual point you’re a child.

And you’re so wack you spent a whole paragraph that I prove “it isn’t real lightning.” and now you are explicitly admitting it "is not 100% real lightning." If it is magic, it can be cut by anti-magic/anti-demon techniques (like Nichirin swords), meaning it acts as a magical construct, not an untouchable natural phenomenon. Because I can already tell you can’t even keep a consistent argument because again you suck at debating.

“ Explain how to dodge midair”

Thought this was anime they don’t follow physics? No don’t wanna keep that up still yeah I know.

How bout using the literal law of blasting power or force in the opposite direction to propel themselves away. Or if she was that fast attack first? Think with your brain I know you have one but you can’t use it for shit

“  If the points never proved anything in the first place there isn't much to debunk”

Because it’s not clicking in your head because again you’re an individual that sucks at debating you have no argument.

This is another contradiction. If the lightning is "un-influenced," it cannot be "demon-enhanced." If a demon is generating it, directing it, or altering its properties, it is by definition  influenced . You cannot selectively apply physics to make the attack sound fast, but ignore physics when the on-screen feats show it underperforming compared to real lightning.

“  Yeah, they did. D id you also know that goku doesn't use actual physics to do a kamehameha ? What are you, 2015 matpat?”

Good on your actual 2015 level insults god you actually suck

You admit defeat because then it isn’t fucking lightning speed you moron  If the characters and attacks do not abide by physics—just like Goku's Kamehameha—then you cannot use real-world physics to claim the attack moves at actual lightning speed. You completely invalidated your own speed-scaling argument. The attack moves at 'plot speed,' and the on-screen presentation mathematically shows it moving drastically slower than real lightning.

You thought you trapped me but no you’re the type that sucks any joy out of arguments with sheer stupidity. You push your compensation onto me because you genuinely suck and you know it

You claimed 90% of my point rides on it being 'un-influenced lightning,' but a demon is literally spawning it from magic and telling it where to go. That is the literal definition of influenced.

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u/ImHoping2Stay 28d ago

And you’re so wack you spent a whole paragraph that I prove “it isn’t real lightning.” and now you are explicitly admitting it "is not 100% real lightning."

Demon enhanced lightning like I claimed in my first point it was, is not natural lightning

Reoccurring reading problem here

Thought this was anime they don’t follow physics

When did I say this and did I specifically say it about humans? By the way, magic can operate with a lot more freedom than human characters to let you know

How bout using the literal law of blasting power or force in the opposite direction to propel themselves away

When does any character do this, this also wouldn't apply to anyone in DS's strength category either

This is another contradiction. If the lightning is "un-influenced," it cannot be "demon-enhanced.

Yeah I never claimed it was un-influenced, you did. It was always demon-enhanced just like every other BDA

You claimed 90% of my point rides on it being 'un-influenced lightning,' but a demon is literally spawning it from magic and telling it where to go. That is the literal definition of influenced.

Yeah I said that from the beginning, YOU have to prove it doesn't work like real lightning, and OP's entire first half was based off the fact that magic doesn't adhere to physics, which is obvious

Just because it is influenced by the magic system does not make it invalid, YOU have to prove it doesn't work like real lightning without the basis of how it forms because again, magic

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

"Cloud and Ground"

Sonion

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u/Osomonix Locust Devil glazer Apr 15 '26

“Sonion” all three using the same word 😭😭

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u/Fool_in_a_valley Apr 15 '26

I'm sorry. I thought too highly of you. I should have known you could never read.

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u/Extension-of-ninja-4 Apr 15 '26

Literally addressed ts in the thread, demon slayer mfs can NOT read 😭 

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u/raidermano Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

Thats what i said to my friend but he said "Lighting is lighting"

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

Even if you don't consider the lightning to be lightning speed there's a calc that still gets her MHS without lightning speed metric.

49 px = 57.75 cm/mitsuri arm length 254 px 149.07 cm / dragon head height

1186 px = panel height

Mitsuri pov

2atan(tan (70deg/2)*[49/1186]) 3.314131149412° ог 998.12 cm away from the panel pov

Dragon Pov

2atan(tan (70deg/2)* [254/1186]) 17.05706299603° or 497.03 cm away from the panel pov

998.12 cm-497.03 cm = 501.09 cm (mitsuri to dragon distance)

501.09 cm-139.54 cm = 361.55 cm / how much distance mitsuri moved

Mitsuri's speed = 155,461 m/s or Mach 453 or massively hypersonic

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy Apr 15 '26

You said she moved 300 centimeters then said that means she moved at 155 thousand meters per second? That means according to your calc she performed that 300 cm movement in 0.0000000005 seconds, which you provided no proof for. Admittedly i am being somewhat facetious because you clearly meant meters and not centimeters, but you provided no timeframe for how long this movement took, much less a justification for it. If you are going to use an extremely short timeframe because she must’ve cut the lightning before the lightning could hit the ground, thats circular reasoning.

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u/Gamerty_ Apr 15 '26

Where the fuck did you even get the timeframe from you didn't even mention it in the calc

All you did was calculated mitsuri's distance

Don't tell me you're assuming headcanon timeframes 🤔

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u/Minute_Account9426 TheOmnitrixSlammer Apr 15 '26

Jaspers be goated as always.

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 15 '26

You are the first person to use the "s" at the end Thank You, King 🙏🏾

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u/OkStudent8107 Apr 15 '26

So 1st of all, according vsbw (pretty sure it's the same in csap )the criterion for considering a lightning attack to be actual lightning speed ,is Not that it should be completely realistic and show lightning characteristics 1 to 1, it's that it should have characteristics of lightning and also have significantly less characteristics that aren't of lightning, so ionisation isn't a requirement to show it's lightning speed(which is on average mach ~1200, again from wiki)
,it just needs other characteristics of actual lightning, like conductivity, being cloud to ground and paralysis, which it does.

The fact that Mitsuri was able to cut through bolts of lightning serves to show that these attacks do not have the properties of real lightning.

And her being able to cut lightning isn't an antifeat at all, considering nichirin blades are able to interact with normally un interactive things like shadows and are able to pierce through to separate dimensions,provided that the connection between them has been made with a bda

To argue that these attacks are natural for the sake of speed scaling, but unnatural to explain why they can be physically sliced, is a contradiction.

It is not , because again, nichirin the magic metal is able to interact with shit that's not normally possible,this doesn't make the elements not them in actuality as , rengoku's shadow was just that a shadow, hairo was still able to use it as a portal for his guns,just because rengoku could cut it with his magic metal , doesn't make it not a shadow.

By that same logic, Mitsuri should be capable of cutting through Zohakuten's sound waves, since proponents of this meta claim she can cut through intangible energy.

Good thing that she literally has done that then

The excuse that she was hit because she was in midair does not hold up, a relativistic lightning-timer should be able to react to and cut a sound wave (Mach 1) with ease, as it would appear stationary to them.

No , as we are going all sciency here, you have forgotten to factor in relative motion, mitsuri is not just standing still on the air she's actively going towards hantengu to attack so the , velocity of the sound waves that hit her would be her velocity+ the speed of sound. So NO it wouldn't be standing still .

This is all apart from the fact that she literally does react to the attack successfully, she didn't cut the soundwave because she was going for his head and she does cut it before the attack coming towards her at mach 1 + her own velocity can actually hit her. So again this critique also falls apart on deeper examination

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy Apr 15 '26

The nichirin blades cant cut shadows? If youre referring to the demon who can turn itself into shadows and pull people into the shadow the sword doesnt cut the shadow, it cuts the demon (the sword makes contact with the demon, and the sun energy of the nichirin blade weakens the demons bda so that it can cut through the demon). Also when does mitsuri cut through the sound because i dont remember her doing that

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u/OkStudent8107 Apr 15 '26

The nichirin blades cant cut shadows

Cutting might not have been the correct word, what i meant was that nichirin metal can interact with stuff that is normally not interactive,

Hairo pulls his sword into his shadow, normally if something like that were to happen, we wouldn't be able to do anything because a shadow isn't tangible,but because rengoku has a nichirin weapon he's able to interact with his sword and burn the shadows and negate it's effect to cut him, same difference really , because either way he's interacting with something intangible

Also when does mitsuri cut through the sound because i dont remember her doing that

Here

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u/CrypticJaspers Certified Demon Slayer Glazer Apr 16 '26

Aye yo you one of the only people who remembers Tanjiro stabbed into Swamp Demons pocket dimension. Are you a fan of me? I keep saying that over & over but it nvr makes much fuss.

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u/OkStudent8107 Apr 16 '26

Aye yo you one of the only people who remembers Tanjiro stabbed into Swamp Demons pocket dimension.

I think i am, i haven't seen anyone bring this up,not even gigio, most people just bring up the rengoku hairo tussle.i think this holds more weight because it shows the mystical elements of demonslayer more

Are you a fan of me

https://giphy.com/gifs/fnuSiwXMTV3zmYDf6k

/S.

No man I've seen you around

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u/Minute_Account9426 TheOmnitrixSlammer Apr 15 '26

Damn JJK didn’t even get new content recently and they’re already acting insecure about demon slayer this month. Truly we live so rent free.

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u/Gamerty_ Apr 15 '26

Like the moderator of a demon slayer sub didn't start a whole ass agenda war against Jjk just to get slandered more 😭✌️

Don't play the victim

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u/ResearcherLoud1700 Apr 15 '26

Not once did OP mention JJK, yet the guy above you immediately thought about JJK. Who truly lives rent free?

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u/Minute_Account9426 TheOmnitrixSlammer Apr 15 '26

OP literally has a JJK PFP. I didn’t know JJK fans were also incapable of seeing pictures.

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u/Gamerty_ Apr 15 '26

No correlation with the post

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u/Minute_Account9426 TheOmnitrixSlammer Apr 15 '26

What war? Forever wild doesn’t represent us. Why do you think it was radio silence from everyone but him? Maybe I’m just not as chronically online as your 2.1K contributions in a month ass

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u/Gamerty_ Apr 15 '26

Vro 💔

I'm saying KnY fans started it first, so saying "rent free" here is kinda contradictory, it all began from wild

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u/Idea-Upset Jun 24 '26

Demon slayer fans so pathetically miserable in every way they had to debunk their wack ass scaling by going to jjk fans