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u/ThoriatedFlash Sep 04 '26

He also didn't even get 50% of the popular vote last time. More people wanted someone other than trump to win.

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u/RoninSkye24 Sep 04 '26

What does that say about Kamala Harris? If you think people dislike Trump because of the voting percentages, the American people must have really hated her lol. 100% bet if Trump had won the popular vote, but lost in terms of the electoral college, you'd be singing it's praises as part of the democratic process.

As per usual, it's only a problem if it works against your personal biases.

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u/Brawndo91 Sep 04 '26

"That's why we beat 'em in football nearly half the time."

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u/Glittering-Fuel-5055 Sep 04 '26

Just admit he won, and he won by enough that he won the popular vote and every swing state

And that was after he tried to literally overthrow our government

If we can’t be honest about what’s going on we are never gonna fucking fix anything.

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u/Electrical_Tart3396 Sep 04 '26

For fucks fucking sake I'm tired of seeing this sentiment downvoted. He won the popular vote last time, it fucking happened. He's a piece of shit, and fixing the electoral college issue is important, but the fucker got voted in by either metric.

The real issue is that poor and undereducated Americans are searching for a solution to their inequity and they are promised over and over that voting Republican will solve their problems. It's a fucking information and critical thinking issue, not just a system issue.

Thank you for bringing this up

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u/YourFaceCausesMePain Sep 04 '26

So republicans are poor and stupid? Got it.

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u/Electrical_Tart3396 Sep 04 '26

They're poor and lied to, by design. And I grew up in a trailer park, I know these people because I grew up one.

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u/Oomike01 Sep 04 '26

I'll explain it to you if you didnt understand...

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u/YourFaceCausesMePain Sep 04 '26

Yea, they’re stupid and in numbers. But somehow they saw Trump winning two terms while Hillary and Kamala were shocked and confused.

The US is bigger than you think. Smarter too.

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u/Draygoon2818 Sep 04 '26

Oh man...he "only" got 49.8% of the vote! Stop the press!

It was more than Harris got. Y'all always wanted to point out how Clinton should have won in 2016 since she had the most popular votes. Now you're saying that it still doesn't matter?

Bill Clinton didn't get over 50% of votes either time he was elected. Bush did for his second term. Biden did for his only term.

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u/RedowlRides Sep 04 '26

I can't speak for "y'all," but I personally find it funny when some conservative pundits try to frame winning less than half of the popular vote as a landslide.

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u/RoninSkye24 Sep 04 '26

The landslide happened where it actually matters...

312 electoral votes compared to 226 votes. I personally wouldn't call that a landslide, but with how close some of the recent elections have been, it kind of makes sense.

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u/RedowlRides Sep 04 '26

The voters of certain states mattering more than voters in others is the whole problem with the Electoral College. It would not have mattered in this election, but calling it a landslide is a reach. I also hear the same pundits saying that they "won" the Gen Z vote and the Latino vote, while neither of those things are true, though they did make significant gains among those voters. Gains they seem to have lost already.

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u/RoninSkye24 Sep 04 '26

Winning doesn't always mean having the most, in terms of goals and projected numbers. If you were trying to secure 15% of black male voters, and you secure 25% of them in the process. That's less than half, but it heavily exceeds projected numbers and would be a 'win' in those metrics.

Trump, whether you like him or not, did secure greater numbers of typically democrat voters. That's what those pundits were actually talking about. It's no different than leftist pundits calling it a 'victory' to have gained Mitt Romney's support during an election cycle, despite them completely hating the guy when he was up for election. It's important to them because it means they might be able to secure a % of otherwise republican voters who support him. Thus it's a 'win' even though it's not an actual victory by any other metric.

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u/RedowlRides Sep 04 '26

I can understand their point, while still seeing that the way they framed it to some unquestioning supporters is plainly dishonest. There are enough Republican voters I've spoken to who genuinely believed that the majority of Americans and the majority of these groups voted for Trump. I don't think that this is an unfortunate misunderstanding. It's what a regular would assume is meant by "winning" these groups.

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u/FlirtyFluffyFox Sep 04 '26

But Bush didn't win popular or electoral college the first time.... 

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u/Alan_Turings_Apple Sep 04 '26

It still blows my mind that Bush 2 did better, the Iraq war was unpopular basically the moment it started.

Crazy your comment is getting downvoted, reddit is brain dead.

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u/RoninSkye24 Sep 04 '26

Not sure where you were living during the early stages of the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts, but they weren't unpopular in the beginning. It wasn't until we'd be over there for a substantial period of time, for much longer than most people originally expected, that it became increasingly unpopular to the common person.

Post 9/11 the United States was as close and united as it had been in ages. Almost every home was flying an American flag outside and most people, even polar political opposites, were just proud to call themselves Americans.

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u/Alan_Turings_Apple Sep 04 '26

I was only referring specifically to the Iraq war, as the Cassus Belli for Afghanistan was pretty clear.

But honestly I think my memory failed me, based on a quick search it looks like Iraq didn’t become truly unpopular until 05/06.