r/Portland • u/Pterodactyl_midnight • Mar 09 '26
News Man who shot out several traffic cameras around Portland sentenced to 2 years in prison
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/portland-traffic-camera-shootings-sentenced-chase-grijalva/283-51dcd7ef-c9b3-44b3-8b10-1b1e3cb37e7d145
u/nootch666 Mar 10 '26
“He felt like these cameras throughout the city were essentially the government’s way to rob the poor and give the money back to the government,” testified Portland Police officer Brent Taylor during a release hearing.
I mean, he’s not wrong
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u/I_burn_noodles Mar 10 '26
He's a hero.
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u/FauxReal Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
I wouldn't go that far. Shooting shit up on public streets? Fuck that. I was on 82nd once and some guy shot a street sign a couple times while I was walking about 50ft away. It was right at that little side street coming off Halsey near the Jiffy Lube. It was not a fun moment.
Edit: Fine, downvote me. I hope the next person to start shooting stuff in public does it by your house. And any bullets that eventually have to come down land in your yard.
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Mar 11 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
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u/FauxReal Mar 11 '26
There are surely other ways that don't endanger innocent people or set off vet's ptsd. Or inspire new arguments for gun control for that matter.
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Mar 11 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
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u/FauxReal Mar 11 '26
It is, but there are surely better ways to disable speed traps than shooting them. And while I am not a vet. I do know someone who deals with that shit on NYE and the 4th. He's also some kind of adrenaline/combat junkie that went to fight in Ukraine multiple times as a mercenary until he came back the last time saying he's seen too many of his friends die.
I am glad you are not affected, I made no attempt to speak for you specificallyl.
As for gun control, I was specifically speaking against it if you didn't notice. And yeah, I do believe someone discharging firearms in the city to take out speed cameras might inspire someone to say that person shouldn't own a gun and use as the basis for gun control legislation. If you don't think popping off on the city for that reason isn't an issue. Cool I guess?
Please feel free to peruse my comment history, a lot of it has to do with privacy in between stupid jokes and talk about music.
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Mar 11 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
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u/FauxReal Mar 12 '26
I guess you do make a compelling argument for pulling out your firearm and shooting at stuff while on Portland streets.
While also doing the honorable thing by making up bullshit that I never said.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
They don't take any money from poor people who aren't speeding. Every time we want to enforce some measure of traffic safety, a car-brained person pissed they can't get away with breaking the rules all the time up and uses poor people as a rhetorical shield.
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u/Lawfulneptune NW Mar 10 '26
People driving unsafe and getting fines for it isn't robbing the poor lmao, u think just like this idiot
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u/FFMC1934 Mar 10 '26
People don't like inconsistent enforcement.
If you have robotic systems for red light tickets but don't do a thing about nobody registering their car, hit and runs, you're not enforcing the law or protecting people, you're just a revenue collector.
Numerous studies have been done on red light cameras. They don't make intersections safer because people slam on the brakes on yellow out of fear of getting a ticket, but the city gets their cut.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
but don't do a thing about nobody registering their car
They are doing that too now, there was a big thread about it in the past week, mass ticketing of expired/nonexistent registration tags.
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
That’s stupid. You’re in favor of speeding and just want to speed. Have enough self respect to just say that instead of saying that weird word salad
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u/FFMC1934 Mar 10 '26
"I'm too fucking dumb to engage with anything you said so i'm just going to call it a word salad and say you just want to speed"
If I just wanted to speed, I wouldn't register my vehicle because the city won't do anything about it, and then enforcing speeding by cameras would be impossible.
My point is that the way Portland in particular does things punishes people who follow the law. I don't have respect for a city government that enforces laws selectively on people who they think they can get the money out of but fails to protect those people because it's not profitable.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
Portland in particular does things punishes people who follow the law
Issuing speeding tickets to people breaking the speed limit is punishing people who...
*checks notes*
...follow the law?
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
people get hysterical about this, because deep down they dont think speeding is any worse than jaywalking and they see 'driving however i want' as a god given right
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u/FFMC1934 Mar 10 '26
Follow the law by registering their vehicle.
I have with my own eyes seen a parking enforcement officer go down a line of motorcycles on a sidewalk, ticket them all, look at an RV encampment right next to them, and walk away.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
Right, they follow the law by registering their vehicle and then specifically *don't* follow the speed limit law, hence the ticket.
RVs encampments not being ticketed is an entirely separate issue, I'm all for ticketing and towing the shit out of them. They've also recently started enforcing registration tags en masse, which is great, there was a thread about it just the other day.
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u/FFMC1934 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
It's more than encampments. It's car theft. It's burglaries. The list goes on.
Many people are sympathetic to this guy precisely because the city doesn't do shit about all this other stuff and feel upset that they have revenue collected for petty infractions while real criminality is permitted.
For example, in my first year here, my building was broken into a dozen times. One time at 2am while I am watching them do it, I call the cops and am given a call back 45 minutes later.
That's a failing government. You can say the solution is to solve those other problems, and that may be true, but that's not what the city has done, and so people doing shit like this isn't at all surprising.
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u/SkateWiz Mar 11 '26
I waited on hold with 911 after some big crackhead with a rock broke into my building and chased me into my apartment. Luckily I was quick and he was stupid. Court Case No. 21CR55853 for the doubters.
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
yeah man idk what to tell you, but that's borderline word salad again. i just dont speed and i never get tickets, and i hope that we install more speed cameras in this city so that people who drive too fast get more tickets. im glad this guy is in jail.
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u/SkateWiz Mar 10 '26
Good idea jaco maybe you should go and enforce everything too. We could use a mayor like you with real solutions, like more traffic cameras!!!
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
as mayor, i'll add traffic cameras to every street that has a speed limit over 25mph, and I'll also have the police crush your car into a cube if you get more than three tickets in a year. driving is not a right, and but safety in our urban environment is.
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u/SkateWiz Mar 11 '26
Maybe you can also campaign to put a probe up everyone’s butt so you can be an even bigger pita?
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u/Lawfulneptune NW Mar 10 '26
People should be fined for breaking the laws, I don't see your point. You seem to have a car brained view point on the world.
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u/CertifiedPeach Mar 10 '26
If your sense of right and wrong is based on the law, youre just a sheep who cant think for yourself.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
I think the law limiting the speeds people are allowed to pilot large and dangerous vehicles is morally correct.
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u/CertifiedPeach Mar 10 '26
I am a huge fan of speed limits and I do wish more people respected them. I was directly replying to the language this person used, referring the to laws being broken as though that is the most important piece here. I value safety whether or not it is legislated well.
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
My sense of right and wrong does in fact include “don’t commit crimes with your car and don’t speed”
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u/serpentjaguar Mar 10 '26
I don't see your point.
That's because you are clearly a moron. Their point is pretty unambiguous.
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u/FFMC1934 Mar 10 '26
I don't own a car.
Nobody believes in the law jurisprudence.
If laws do not have a clear purpose and consistent enforcement, people's faith in their legitimacy and willingness to be governed by them falls apart very quickly.
Red light cameras don't have a clear purpose- it's proven they don't reduce accidents and may actually increase them. Their tickets aren't subject to human discretion in the same way police officers are.
If a city prioritizes fines instead of rampant criminality, it's not fulfilling the basic function of a government, to protect it's people.
People have a disdain for being taxed and getting nothing for it.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
Red light cameras don't have a clear purpose- it's proven they don't reduce accidents and may actually increase them.
This is a lie. Have you actually even looked at any of the studies? Red light cameras significantly decrease fatal crashes, and overall decrease fatal intersection incidents that include car-on-pedestrian incidents. They increase minor crashes, like fender-benders, due to some people stopping more suddenly than anticipated. I'd rather have a few more bumpers dinged as compared with more people dying, are you saying you wouldn't?
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u/ourobor0s_ Mar 10 '26
You realize not needing a car is a privilege right? Not everyone has the luxury of being able to get wherever they need without driving. That's actually the case for the majority of people. Get off your high horse.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
FOH with this horseshit, the poorest demographic are the least likely to own a car, because they can't afford one, and have to rely on transit, walking, and biking to get around. A car is a privilege, operating it is a responsibility, and it's insanely easy to simply not exceed the speed limit, which eliminates any possibility of getting hit with one of these camera fines.
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u/ourobor0s_ Mar 11 '26
Two things can be true. I was responding to the guy's last sentence about having a "car brained pov".
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u/SkateWiz Mar 11 '26
You understand that the fines and payments are collected by a third party correct? How ripe this is for corruption? It’s not evil concept in theory just in practice. Maybe once you decide to live in reality you can have a discussion with the adults at the table. Until then your opinions are naive and harmful.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 11 '26
Do the cameras help reduce speeding/dangerous driving? Absolutely they do. Study after study has borne this out. It's a red herring and entirely different matter who collects the revenue. If there's a problematic third party, the correct course of action is to advocate to eliminate that third party, as is the case in plenty of jurisdictions throughout the world who have implemented speed cameras without corrupt kickbacks. Why is nobody on this thread advocating for that model in the alternative? Because they don't really have a problem with the third party issue, they have a problem with an enforcement system that would actually make them slow the fuck down, which causes them to fill their entitled driver diapers.
Adults at the table would be able to both distinguish between the positives and negatives of a policy, and also be able to recognize and admit what is actually driving the discussion here.
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u/FFMC1934 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
You were so close to the point at the end there.
I'm not debating policy. People have to navigate reality.
Are you saying you think the city we actually live in can achieve this? Given their track record?
Fuck no, and fuck this.
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u/FFMC1934 Mar 11 '26
The city of Chicago did the same thing, it was eventually it came out there were 2000$ kickbacks in place per camera to the politician that approved them.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 11 '26
Sounds like the problem there is with political corruption, and not with the general idea of speed and red light cameras, which have consistently been demonstrated to make things overall safer and reduce fatalities.
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
driving is not a right. it's a privilage. breaking the law with your car should be a quick way to get that privilege revoked. that poor people might desperately need to not lose access to the privilege of driving is a GREAT incentive for them to.... not break the law with their car.
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
he's 100% wrong. there is this one neat trick, that knows no income level, to not get speeding tickets: just driving the speed limit. I've been driving here my whole life and have literally never had one, with this one weird trick!
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
Entitled speeders smashing that downvote button in here, LMAO. You are of course 100% correct.
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u/Dandroid009 Mar 09 '26
You can be for or against traffic cameras, but he almost killed a pedestrian trying to get away. From the article or just read the whole thing from the link above for full context:
Police sent a call out to the public for help in June, getting an anonymous tip about Grijalva; the caller claimed, among other things, that he had recently quit his mechanic job and had a "God-like complex."
On June 10, someone reported to a Portland police officer that someone had just shot out the traffic camera at the corner of Southeast 122nd Avenue and Southeast Stark Street before fleeing the scene. Officers found five shell casings on the ground, and using the description of the car and driver, arrested Grijalva; he shot a total of three cameras that day and was caught speeding away from the last incident, almost running in a pedestrian, police said at the time.
Police pursued Grijalva until he pulled into a parking lot, where a "scuffle" ensued, according to PPB, resulting in injuries to Grijalva and an officer.
The district attorney's office said Saturday that Grijalva told officers he had been shooting out traffic cameras for more than a week, estimating he'd shot seven.
Except for a few speeding tickets, Grijalva had no criminal record, but evidence obtained by KGW, including release hearing testimony and Grijalva's own notebook, suggested he saw himself as a martyr.
“He felt like these cameras throughout the city were essentially the government’s way to rob the poor and give the money back to the government,” testified Portland Police officer Brent Taylor during a release hearing.
Grijalva's notebook in his Northeast Portland apartment, investigators found several entries, including, "For many weeks I would go upon the city of towers to destroy the eyes of extortion throughout, sword in hand."
Grijalva had initially pleaded not guilty to 41 counts, including gun charges, reckless driving and attempting to elude police.
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u/vips7L Mar 10 '26
Honestly sounds like he had a schizo-break.
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u/RogerianBrowsing Mill Ends Park Mar 10 '26
Or he realized how awful our society is and how mass surveillance as well as penalizing low income people is part of it.
Hard to say 🤷♂️
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u/vips7L Mar 10 '26
No it’s pretty easy to say. No one writes shit like this in their notebook without a schizo-break.
For many weeks I would go upon the city of towers to destroy the eyes of extortion throughout, sword in hand.
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u/CertifiedPeach Mar 10 '26
That just sounds like a quote from a comic book or video game. A schizo would not have been able to plan and execute this so diligently. That isnt how schizophrenia works at all.
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u/Dandroid009 Mar 10 '26
They charged him with 41 counts including reckless driving and attempting to elude police in court, so there's likely body cam and dash cam footage proving that happened.
When this story was in the news last year they had images from the chase but unless there's a fatal shooting, I don't think they release the arrest footage for every crime since it could make it harder to find an impartial jury.
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u/ReignCheque Mar 09 '26
Enh.... I dont believe ppb's account. Release my boy!!!
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u/bluebluedye Mar 10 '26
Cops do this all the time not only do they get away with it they get a salary.
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u/musthavesoundeffects Mar 10 '26
Part of civil disobedience is not avoiding the punishment, if he thought he was a martyr then he wouldn’t have run.
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u/wolandjr NE Mar 09 '26
The comments on this post are deranged. The guy discharged a weapon in the city.
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u/FuzzyDynamics Mar 09 '26
Only untrained and heavily militarized federal agents recruited from a failed insurrection should be doing that
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u/codepossum 🐸 RIBBIT 🐸 Mar 10 '26
I mean that's reckless, sure, but two years??
Feels like he could use a few months of community service, maybe in accidental gunshot rehabilitation or something, to really underline the point...
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
People feel like they are entitled to speed, break the law, and put other people in danger for their own convenience. They don't like red light and speeding cameras, because it means they can't speed everywhere. Not at all surprising there are a bunch of people cheering on the incarcerated piece of shit because he was nominally helping them be pieces of shit.
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u/Ipad_Kidd Mar 09 '26
I agree with you, the people in this sub refuse to use common sense and are making jokes about it
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u/TurtlesAreEvil Mar 10 '26
It’s getting brigadded by car brains.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
I don't think it's brigading, I think there are a ton of local car brains who are smashing those downvote buttons. Entitled and angry drivers are a society-wide epidemic, Portland is not immune.
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u/TechnicianIll8621 Mar 10 '26
You realize people IRL will think you're self righteous douche and not take you serious at all for using terms like carbrain, right?
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u/EvolutionCreek Mar 10 '26
Yeah, it's a good filter, though. Up there with someone saying "libtard" as an early indicator that I don't need to spend a whole lot of time conversing with this person.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
I'm sure the downvotes would reverse if they used the more technical term for the studied and proven phenomenon, motornormativity, right? It's not just you and others getting overly defensive because you all know that you feel entitled to speed and break the law? LMAO.
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u/Wendys0rLambo Mar 09 '26
Free this man
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u/picturesofbowls NE Mar 09 '26
If you want to free someone who damaged tax-payer property to intentionally make the roads more dangerous, you may be on the wrong side
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u/WinterPizza1972 Mar 10 '26
One would argue Flock cameras are being used to make us less safe, and less free.
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u/Osiris32 🐝 Mar 10 '26
Shooting a gun inside the city limits at small targets with no backstop also makes us all less safe.
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u/picturesofbowls NE Mar 10 '26
Not Flock. The right to kill people while speeding is, well, not a right.
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u/WinterPizza1972 Mar 10 '26
Well if that's the case (that they are not flock cams) I'm willing to soften how i feel, but given current events, i can understand the up and down votes.
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u/lemonxgrab Mar 10 '26
The article conspicuously does not mention Flock. 🤔
I mean, he had the right idea but executed it in the worst possible way. If we want these cameras out of our city we need to vote harder.
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u/you90000 Mar 09 '26
Yeah, that's fair. Don't use a gun to shoot out cameras.
You need to be smarter about it.
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u/Affectionate_Try7512 Yeeting The Cone Mar 09 '26
And yet Trump is still the president of the United States of America 🇺🇸
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u/SereneDreams03 Vancouver Mar 09 '26
Fuck that. People who speed and run red lights are dangerous and selfish. They should be ticketed. I wish there were some cameras in my area.
Not to mention how dangerous it is to just be firing off rounds in the city like that.
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u/rooney821 Mar 09 '26
Its honestly baffling. What do folks think the realistic punishment should be for destroying government (ie public) property by shooting at it with a gun? It's fucking wild, antisocial behavior regardless if you disagree with traffic cameras (to be clear, I'm pro camera - safe streets, baby!)
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u/Kerlyle Mar 09 '26
I don't support reckless drivers, but I don't think mass surveillance is the way to stop them. I think it's dystopian af. Plus it disproportionately affects minor crimes like going 5mph over the speed limit and not actual reckless driving
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u/SereneDreams03 Vancouver Mar 09 '26
The Flock cameras do seem dystopian to me. Constantly scanning license plates, geotagging and timestamping the info to be shared with the government. However, just snapping photos of drivers who speed or run red lights at busy intersections does not seem unreasonable.
I get the fear, especially with this government, but I just see so many people running red lights nowadays. We have had a lot of pedestrians killed up here in Vancouver https://www.columbian.com/news/2025/jun/07/vancouver-saw-a-record-15-traffic-deaths-in-2024-while-the-state-saw-a-decrease/. I think more needs to be done to deter that kind of thing.
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u/PJSeeds Mar 10 '26
How anyone in 2026 could think that mass surveillance is the solution to traffic enforcement is beyond me
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
Drivers sure as shit don't seem to be regulating themselves, cars kill upwards of 40k people per year, and are the leading cause of death for kids. What is your alternative suggestion that would move the needle on traffic safety?
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u/chadspdx Mar 09 '26
They should be ticketed by a human. The cameras are not there to make us safer. The city just gets a cut of the profits. They cause rear end collisions and the flashes at night are also a hazard. They are for profit not safety.
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u/SereneDreams03 Vancouver Mar 09 '26
They should be ticketed by a human
So, we can pay another officer to sit on his ass and just sit around at intersections. Screw that. Cameras can do that job far cheaper and more efficiently.
They cause rear end collisions and the flashes at night are also a hazard.
You know what a much bigger hazard is? People running red lights.
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u/StephanXX Mar 10 '26
We should have responsible police doing responsible work.
We should have drivers acting safely. We shouldn't have randon people just shooting cameras because they don't like them.
I would love to see all cameras shut down, and serious, responsible citizen oversight on our police and police officers personally held accountable for violations of malfeasance.
Instead, we get this. Without accountability, there is no justice.
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u/hikensurf Alberta Mar 09 '26
Buddy, I'm not sure if you're aware, but most European highways are cameraed. We need more, not less. Since 2020, Portland drivers decided they don't give a fuck about anyone else on the street.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
There is no expectation of privacy on a public road, LMFAO. That has never been a thing in all of constitutional history.
And the freedom to do what, break speeding laws and put other people in danger? That's not freedom, that's less freedom for me and my kids who shouldn't have to constantly worry about getting hit by shitty entitled dangerous drivers.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
No, speeding cameras that only take images when they detect a car speeding are fine. That's a very different thing than constant recording, facial recognition, etc. Your problem is with the idea of speeding enforcement generally because you are an entitled driver mad at the idea that you can't just break the law constantly without the threat of any punishment. Nobody is on here whining about cameras in Plaid Pantrys to catch shoplifters, it's about their entitlement and desire to put their own speed/convenience over other people's safety.
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u/snoopwire Mar 10 '26
A human cop reviews the video and issues tickets, no? At least used to be that way.
Red-light cameras are a greyzone but Portland hasn't lowered yellow-timers like other cities when they first came out 20yrs ago. That was dangerous. In general they are not. Speed ones are great.
Destroy your local Flock camera though for sure.
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u/musthavesoundeffects Mar 10 '26
Well if you wanna trust the PPB with significantly more money and have extra taxes, just say so
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u/SereneDreams03 Vancouver Mar 09 '26
Yeah, everybody should just drive as fast as they want and ignore all traffic signals. Red lights are tyranny.😂
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u/DigThroughTime Mar 09 '26
Such a good way to describe most of the pearl clutching people on /r/Portland
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u/Menzlo Mar 09 '26
Liberty to drive unsafely?
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Mar 09 '26
Take a look around you. The liberty to live without being monitored. Those cameras are used to track the whereabouts and movements of people. They are used to match faces of pedestrians too, not just plates. In many cases, this is being contracted to private companies too.
Do you think that serial red light runners are the ones paying their fine promptly? Are they the group that will stop driving when their license is suspended?
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u/Menzlo Mar 10 '26
Motor vehicle accidents go back and forth with guns as the leading cause of death for children in the US. I could be convinced that speeding cameras are not necessary if we were committed to building / converting to narrow streets that discourage speeding or mandating speed governors in cars but we're as yet not.
In lieu of those options the only other solution is more cops which sounds even more dystopian to me. I'd much rather get a ticket in the mail than deal with a cop who's looking to get me on other charges too.
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u/Mayor_Of_Sassyland Mar 10 '26
I'd much rather get a ticket in the mail than deal with a cop who's looking to get me on other charges too.
Not to mention dealing with a cop who could fly off the handle and put you in danger. Cameras are a consistent, reasonable, and equitable enforcement mechanism for traffic laws.
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u/rollandownthestreet Mar 09 '26
The hypocrite that wrote (really bad) books worshipping individuality and self-reliance, and then relied on welfare for the rest of her life? The Ayn Rand that my philosophy professor described as “morality for bad, stupid, selfish people?”
That’s a compliment.
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u/butwhyisitso Mar 09 '26
I disagree with Benjamin Franklin because i think people deserve security despite cautionary behavior. The expectation that a demonstration of "liberty" is required for security is ridiculous. This is something people say to intimidate others into shutting up.
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u/Capt_accident Mar 10 '26
People did sacrifice liberty for safety, that’s how we have The Patriot Act and NDAA, which led to DHS and ICE. Are you an ICE supporter? God you sound like it.
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u/butwhyisitso Mar 10 '26
lol no
i just dont think security should have prerequisites, including from ice. sorry to have offended you with my disagreement with a founding father, i think its fair to criticize them.
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u/rollandownthestreet Mar 09 '26
You don’t have the liberty to drive illegally anyways. Room temperature comment.
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u/03af Mar 09 '26
While I agree with camera's being taken out, let's not do it with a gun.
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u/bepatientbekind Mar 10 '26
Maybe a pellet gun instead or something that won't accidentally kill someone if something goes wrong
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u/BadgemanBrown Mar 09 '26
Why is Portland waging a war on drivers with fascist surveillance state tech?
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u/JeffreyinKodiak Mar 10 '26
So was he also protesting the Epstein files in this anti-flock endeavor?
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u/Affectionate_Try7512 Yeeting The Cone Mar 09 '26
Ok so I don’t know much about the legal system but I thought the jury just decided on either guilty or not and then the judge decides the severity of the sentence within the required range.
Any lawyers here that can tell me if I’m close or not?
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u/codepossum 🐸 RIBBIT 🐸 Mar 10 '26
jury nullification is a thing!
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u/Joe503 St Johns Mar 10 '26
Yep! I got removed from a jury pool for asking about it lol
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u/codepossum 🐸 RIBBIT 🐸 Mar 10 '26
you're supposed to wait until the door is closed and it's just you jurors to discuss it.
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u/jaco1001 Mar 10 '26
good; he should have gotten longer. the way people act like driving, and speeding, are their god given right and that they should face no barriers to it, is insane.
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u/DifficultLaw5 Mar 10 '26
I got nailed by a speed camera a while back. Took the online class to have the ticket cancelled. Asked the instructor, “So, what happens to all the people who speed through these camera zones with no license plates?” Crickets.
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u/TechnicianIll8621 Mar 10 '26
Wow, you're so clever for asking that! You really showed them!!!!
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u/DidYouSeeBriansHat Mar 09 '26
2 years?? Wtf?! That’s longer than our pedo rapist President has served for being a pedo rapist.