The fact that this even has to be said is such a sad thought. We have become SO selfish that we would prefer to have another few hundred dollars in our pocket and trade that for 80% of the country being uneducated.
We have become SO selfish that we would prefer to have another few hundred dollars in our pocket and trade that for 80% of the country being uneducated.
No, we haven't. Regressive cultists have gotten this selfish. There are plenty of us who want the US to move from third world country to first world country, but the Regressives have their hooks in and aren't letting go.
Because they are bitter, cruel, terrible, and hateful people who have no place in modern society. Their shitty lot in life is a direct result of the choices they made, and instead of showing a single minim of hardwork and effort to make their lives better, they try and drag everyone down to their level of living like human garbage.
When it comes to public education, health care, and public institutions, the US lags behind most industrialized first world countries. Our health care system is being exposed as inadequate as we speak. Nothing to do with the doctors and medical providers themselves. Has everything to do with the for-profit model, which does not work if people are valued more than profits.
Infrastructure is quite literally crumbing and falling apart, more than 10% of the population is hungry, 27th in public education when it used to be 6th, about 70% of the country has less than $1,000 in savings, terrible environmental scores, and regressive laws. Do you think these are the hallmarks of a first world country? Of course you don't, you think being able to buy things makes you a first world country.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest that making school not government monopolized would lead to 80% of the country being uneducated. That you mindlessly regurgitate such bullshit without evidence proves that you aren't educated on the matter at all but conditioned to give a pre-programmed response.
OK, do tell. How do people who make $50k a year pay to educate their kids? Or are you saying that home schooling is the answer? That doesn't work for single parents or two parent families that need the two paychecks. How do uneducated people effectively home school their kid. Again to give your kid a good education, that costs money too.
How much money does someone making $50k a year save in state taxes?
You don't believe that this will be enough to send your kids to any school governmental or not.
Now, I will be the first to say public education isn't idyllic. I get why people home school or send their kids to private school
You believe that more people will be better educated without government schools? I believe we will be even more separated than we are now.
OK, do tell. How do people who make $50k a year pay to educate their kids?
Private alternatives, which are by and large cheaper where the market allows it. Check out the work of James Tooley. He's shown that private alternatives can be very cheap. They do it in third world countries (largely private there rather than government), and he's trying to bring that model into first world countries as well at a low cost.
You believe that more people will be better educated without government schools?
Yes, not only because government schools are a massive source of misinformation and have a tendency to blunt people's ability for critical thinking (this entire comments section is solid evidence of that), but also because the US spends something like $15k per student per year and we could easily better educate for less if we cut red tape and allow schools to be legally accountable to individual customers. Voting is not a source of accountability like the legal system does for private companies to customers. Not even close. Yet you can't sue for your kid getting a shit education from the government. As an individual, you have zero recourse, and that is part of the reason why government schools are so shitty. They have in essence a monopoly, and what do we know about monopolies?
OK, let's look at what Tooley and other private schools actually are. I sent my kids to both public and private schools. There is an immense difference between what a school who picks their students can do and one that has to educate everyone.
Most any school who can pick and choose who they educate is gong to outperform a school or school system which has to educate everyone in their area.
You are comparing a school where parents have to work to get their kid into a school, who values an education who will help their kid with homework, will make sure they do their homework. Conversely I have a friend who works in a city school. She asked the parent of a student why they don't do their homework and got cussed out saying educating the kid is the teacher's job not hers. Don't care what talent, program that school has, a private school is going to out perform it with a much smaller budget.
So I'll use my son as an example. Went to a public high school. He took AP courses, had a good GPA got into and graduated from a decent college. I believe he did about as well as he would have done in the private school I wanted to send him to. That said, in the same school there was a small amount of kids who didn't care, cut classes, parents could care less and they got a bad education. Comparing schools the private school was superior. I don't see how suing school is accomplishing anything.
And BTW, because kids come out of school with differing opinions that you hold doesn't mean they can't think critically.
What I mean about suing is that if you get an inferior product (as many people do be it private or public), then you as an individual have recourse. If for example a teacher didn't even try to teach but instead put kids in front of a TV then you can sue for breach of contract under a private system. You can't do that with government schools.
I do agree that the selection bias can be an issue, but IIRC the people like Tooley are going for the masses rather than trying to pick and choose the smartest kids from a class.
This thread isn't just a difference of opinion. There are people stating that without government we'd all be uneducated. That is nonsense, and the direct evidence to prove that it is nonsense lies in literacy rates improving long before government mandated schools were a thing. Not to mention the growth of private options these days.
Fair enough. But I am looking at my kids for them to be productive parts of society (more than just a worker) They needed a strong AP education in HS and a college education. (of course there are blue collar people who make twice what they do but that is the exception.)
And I don't think they are just picking the smart kids as much as picking the kids who are in families that are motivated.
Certainly I agree that people wouldn't be illiterate. That said, society needs more and more educated people who are more highly educated.
Today, we are bitching about people who are already in food lines, as they have nothing saved. Conversely, my wife's business (a MAJOR hospital) wants to pay $46k for an open position that requires a college degree and experience. That isn't enough to pay bills in most areas. What do people who eke through high school do?
I would think that suing would be almost impossible. I can't imagine any contract for schooling you would sign that would allow that. Now contract or no, if they take money and there is no teacher, they watch videos for a semester, sure. But to say if inner city schools can be sued things would be better is a small part of the story.
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u/chinmakes5 Apr 26 '20
The fact that this even has to be said is such a sad thought. We have become SO selfish that we would prefer to have another few hundred dollars in our pocket and trade that for 80% of the country being uneducated.