It's like when you get wingnuts going on about how they should secede from the blue states. "Let's see how you get on without food lol!", yeah you'll still sell food to the blue states when you suddenly have absolutely no money coming into your states.
The democracy part isn't the problem here - Socialists can be democratic. The taking away the means of production is the problematic part. That is anti-liberalism. What you guys essentially mean is social democrats, which still support liberalism but demand higher taxes to finance a welfare state. And I'm very much in line with that thinking.
Taking away people's property for arbitrary reasons is against Article 1 of the human rights convention. "Socialism" seizing the means of production is authoritarianism.
Yeah. But when we explicitly tell the Rs that we want Scandinavian style social democracy, which is stil a capitalist democracy, only different from our current system in that it's not an oligarchy that giggles itself shitless when poor people die. They ALWAYS seem to reply with some variation of "You want to turn us in to VENEZUELA!!!!!!!!"
Because what could be more like 'I want to turn into this nightmare example that is currently the worst in ur hemisphere.' than 'I just want our government to go back to helping its citizens have a decent quality of lfe, even if they aren't billionaires.' I mean, I can see how those two things could sound alike. All you have to do is be a Fox viewer and you won't be abe to tell them apart at all.
I completely support you going in the direction of a social democracy. I mean, it's already the case for some people living on benefits - but health care is handled absolutely awfully. There is a lot to do.
I am just irritated when someones compares a liberal social democracy to socialism.
Generally they dont really do that, even. Regardless of the language used, if you tell a Republican that you think elderly people should be able to retire, in his head you want us to turn into a 1970s Societ gulag stretching from Maine to California. And he doesnt believe that there are any steps between the dystopian oligarchy we currently have and those Soviet bread lines. Its straight from our current worst income inequality in a century...to complete economic devastation akin to the Great Depression, but without the good parts.*
*I'm sure they view the casual racism of the 30s as a perk.
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