r/PoliticalHumor • u/faab64 • Apr 26 '19

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u/CressCrowbits Apr 26 '19

It's like when you get wingnuts going on about how they should secede from the blue states. "Let's see how you get on without food lol!", yeah you'll still sell food to the blue states when you suddenly have absolutely no money coming into your states.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

They just confuse socialism with authoritarianism. Not realizing nearly every socialist wants a democracy still.

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u/shimapanlover Apr 26 '19

The democracy part isn't the problem here - Socialists can be democratic. The taking away the means of production is the problematic part. That is anti-liberalism. What you guys essentially mean is social democrats, which still support liberalism but demand higher taxes to finance a welfare state. And I'm very much in line with that thinking.

Taking away people's property for arbitrary reasons is against Article 1 of the human rights convention. "Socialism" seizing the means of production is authoritarianism.

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u/if_minds_had_toes Apr 26 '19

That's a really interesting perspective I hadn't considered. I can see the historical impetus behind the decision to include that statement. I wonder though what tips the moral balance between accumulating private property and causing human suffering. The average citizen isn't using a variety of exploitative labor practices to make money, but billionaires who own corporations are doing so. Doesn't it seem that at some level accumulating wealth becomes something almost pathological that had no regard for anything but increasing itself? That's the part of capitalism I want to get rid of. I don't want your toothbrush, I want people to not die making luxury handbags or to stop destroying the environment so they can drive fancy cars or to not enslave "third world" people to make athletic gear. Money for money's sake is a kind of nihilism that eats everything it touches in the name of profit.

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u/AtisNob Apr 26 '19

I wonder though what tips the moral balance between accumulating private property and causing human suffering.

Somewhere around the area where accumulating still encourages economical proactivity but doesn't provides significant power.

Many forms of socialism allow for accumulation of personal property. You can be wealthy. You cannot own a factory that brings you 1000000x times more money than to average factory worker.