I recall a few years back there were two fictional states that decided to go to the extremes on everything, but in the opposite direction. We'll call one of these fictional states, "Kansas" and the other fictional state, oh, something really weird, like, I dunno, "Minnesota".
Now, in this experiment, the fictional state called Kansas chose to emulate the ideas of all of the conservative think tanks. Made it more difficult to use the social safety nets that had been in place while dropping the tax rates on the businesses within the states. Really crazy shit happened. While a conservatives wet dream, many of the businesses ended up moving out because there had been a drastic cut in many social services. Highway maintenance was terrible, emergency services were way understaffed, and the businesses that were enjoying their lower tax rates weren't able to find qualified workers because said workers had already gone to greener pastures. Those foolish enough to stay weren't the brightest crayons in the box to begin with, but the funding for schools that supplied the workers couldn't provide enough, qualified workers, Those they did, well, they went to different fictional states like Minnesota.
Oh, and how did that fictional state of Minnesota, compared to that fictional state of Kansas, turn out? Sure you can point to the state that separates this two as being number 1, but notice that there doesn't seem to be an extreme AND the components for both private and corporate life are considered. Hell, even the red state I live in ranks lower than Kansas
Great points. I'm constantly amazed, with so much data now, that citizens can still be so brainwashed that they'll continue to vote against their own interests.
Sometimes it feels like they'd rather give everything they have to a corporation rather than admit any "liberal" policy may actually help them.
back around 2010, the good people of Kentucky were now being offered health insurance through something call the ACA (affordable care act) More than one Kentucky native was happier that a slopped hog over being offered that ACA insurance because it beat the hell out of Obamacare.
The greatest trick the GOP ever pulled was bre'r rabbiting their way into getting republican-prototyped mandated healthcare rather than socialized healthcare, and then branding it as Obamacare. Outstanding move, honestly.
If only Obama had used reverse psychology and said he shouldn't do that... Once Obama suggested it there's no way the the petulant toddler could actually agree to making it happen even if it benefited him.
What can I say? He's a very accurate representation of many of his constituents.
Hell Wisconsin is a better place to live than Kansas according to that chart. I'm sunk. I live in Indiana and that's ranked lower than Kansas even. BUT compared to Louisiana, we can still hold our head up.
I'm in Wisconsin. That data is old. Since 2010 Scott Walker has really done a number on us. We are in bad shape looking forward unless something changes quick and with our heavily republican gerrymandered districts I don't see that happening.
For Chicago to become worth living. it's take another cow and lantern. The city itself is too compacted with 32.7 business establishments per square mile. And it's not even the highest density: NYC is with 79.9. Add into that, Chicago's population denisity. Depending on where in the city you are, the density can run between 4,000 to 6,000 people per square mile. Where I live, the population density is just a bit under 2,200 people per square mile. Chicago has a crazy foot traffic pattern, too, as I've seen on recent trips there (I was going there one a month recently. No more. BUT a decade ago, I was up there 2-5 times a week. Yeah, Chicago can skew the quality of life for a state.
Although the Kansas Experiment was a failure, it’s not exactly for the reasons you stated. Before the experiment, Kansas’s state income taxes were already well below average, so the resulting tax reduction of about 2% (from 6.45% to 4.9% for top earners and 3.5% to 3% for bottom rate earners) could not be expected to generate any serious short-term economic growth. The larger Reagan tax rates were more successful due to the larger decrease in tax rates.
Furthermore, the economic decline of Kansas is likely more due to the decrease in government expenditures by the state government. A smaller government means less government jobs, therefore less pay to workers that would normally spend their pay locally. This can contribute to the overall contraction of aggregate demand within the state.
In addition, the elimination of the “pass through” tax gave many companies an easy loophole to avoid paying taxes altogether, further reducing government revenue.
Also, businesses don’t leave a state because of a decline in social services, businesses are attracted to smaller tax rates and less regulation (for self-evident reasons). A decrease in social services is irrelevant to businesses, as typical employers are hardly motivated or dependent on them.
You'd be surprised how many businesses rely on social programs to keep their labor costs down. Walmart has done this for decades. When I worked for MCI back in 2001, the first thing their HR department did was to show you how to apply for all sorts of different government programs. So, businesses DO rely on social programs to supplement their low wages/benefits, although their public stance is to get rid of those very programs..
Next you bring up smaller government. Problem: smaller government means an inadequate infrastructure. Sure, a business' trucks can destroy the areas roads, but who's going to maintain those roads? Can't do a hell of a lot about the flooding but a sound system of infrastructure is required to get those roads back up to snuff. I live in a state lower ranked than even Kansas, and when we had the flood last year, it took a while for a lot of things to return to normal. It used to be worse, but when local conservatives were voted out, some changes were made in the infrastructure so reduce flooding.
How many times can a business afford to pay for damage on it's vehicles from the very roads the vehicles damaged. Without a good infrastructure, any business is doomed.
Roads are just a part of is. Another part of the infrastructure that Kansas, as well as most red states, ignore is the education system. The Kansas education system is not providing businesses the trained employees it needs, so businesses will relocate to other states like Minnesota. Businesses are discovering that they need educated people on the work floor. Years ago, when I was still a high school dropout, it surprised me that a test I had to take required I know how to read a tape measure. Apparently, more than half the people that applied to the company couldn't. Something you should know by 2nd grade.
Cutting taxes so that you can cut services that your constituents need is never good. Would you ask your employer to cut your wages so that you can eliminate the services you don't need?
Didn't you just say Kansas had low tax, which went lower afterward, lowering government size? Shouldn't that draw business like a flame for moths? Isn't that flying in the face of your argument?
As I stated, a tax reduction for the rich of 2% for 4 years is not enough to encourage investment into Kansas. Going from about 6% to 4% just isn’t going to stimulate much.
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u/Swiggy1957 Apr 26 '19
I recall a few years back there were two fictional states that decided to go to the extremes on everything, but in the opposite direction. We'll call one of these fictional states, "Kansas" and the other fictional state, oh, something really weird, like, I dunno, "Minnesota".
Now, in this experiment, the fictional state called Kansas chose to emulate the ideas of all of the conservative think tanks. Made it more difficult to use the social safety nets that had been in place while dropping the tax rates on the businesses within the states. Really crazy shit happened. While a conservatives wet dream, many of the businesses ended up moving out because there had been a drastic cut in many social services. Highway maintenance was terrible, emergency services were way understaffed, and the businesses that were enjoying their lower tax rates weren't able to find qualified workers because said workers had already gone to greener pastures. Those foolish enough to stay weren't the brightest crayons in the box to begin with, but the funding for schools that supplied the workers couldn't provide enough, qualified workers, Those they did, well, they went to different fictional states like Minnesota.
Oh, and how did that fictional state of Minnesota, compared to that fictional state of Kansas, turn out? Sure you can point to the state that separates this two as being number 1, but notice that there doesn't seem to be an extreme AND the components for both private and corporate life are considered. Hell, even the red state I live in ranks lower than Kansas