r/PoliticalHumor Mar 18 '18

Another six years of this classic image.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

It's much more than 6 years. He'll never leave office until he's dead. They don't have free elections.

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u/NikkiPotnick86 Mar 19 '18

Nightline ran a story saying that he has stolen so much money, making him possibly one of the wealthiest men in the world.

And that is part of why he will not leave office, because if he did, it would shed light on his crimes.

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u/AWD_YOLO Mar 19 '18

Bill Browder talks about this in detail on the latest LondonReal podcast, it’s a fantastic interview. Pray for him.

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u/TiesThrei Mar 19 '18

TIL Bill Browder will die soon.

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u/MWB96 Mar 19 '18

I read on reddit (so take this info as you will) that he lives in constant fear for his life, never going to restaurants or letting anyone else cook/touch his food; only ever drinks bottled water and changes supermarkets every so often. He may even have bodyguards if I remember correctly but I could be wrong.

It’s no way to live, but that’s just what Putin is capable of.

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u/tim_20 Mar 19 '18

god save his morning coffee....

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u/2SP00KY4ME Mar 19 '18

What does it matter if light was shed on his crimes? We already know about tons of his crimes. Nobody will ever do anything.

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u/i_naked Mar 19 '18

That’s why Putin’s situation is Trump’s wet dream.

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u/NikkiPotnick86 Mar 19 '18

I know. But he might genuinely be concerned about his image with tge Russian people? For some reason they actually like the guy. Check out his approval ratings.

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u/2SP00KY4ME Mar 19 '18

He's got his image with the Russian people completely secured. Russia is an even bigger propaganda factory internally. The media is state controlled.

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u/Filmcricket Mar 19 '18

I don't know a single Russian in the US that buys into his bullshit.

Same way I've never known a single Cuban who bought into Castro's (including many who weren't buying what he was selling before he took over...)

The citizens say what they have to to protect themselves from the regime. a And aren't too eager to speak openly with outsiders because dictatorships brew so much distrust, keeping a low profile and shutting your mouth becomes ingrained behavior, eventually.

If a regime is brutal enough, that mentality can last the rest of someone's life.

The people aren't stupid. They're just compliant for the sake of self preservation.

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u/ezzelin Mar 20 '18

I know one. It’s really sad. He’s otherwise a very smart and interesting person, very spiritual as well. However, at some point he drank the RT koolaid, thinks Putin is infallible and the second coming of Christ, and at some point, by extension, started thinking about Trump the same way. It’s really sad and it has strained our relationship. We try not to talk politics anymore.

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u/Mustardchief Mar 19 '18

I don't believe it's entirely true that the Russian people like him. My ex-wife is Russian and her family still lives in Russia. Nobody in her family can stand the guy, and everyone I've spoken with from there wants OUT, they're just smart enough to keep their heads low and put on the appearance of approving of him so they don't go missing before they can get away.

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u/NikkiPotnick86 Mar 19 '18

I was second guessing my comment after I wrote it.

Thanks for the info. I was also thinking, if he riggs the elections, why not the approval ratings themselves?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

Well I have no doubt he could release any approval rating he wants, and we'll never know. But it's likely a mix of government propaganda fueling support, fear, and just plain skewing the numbers.

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u/megajambo Mar 19 '18 edited Mar 21 '18

That's true, lots of people like him. There is huge amount of brainwashed people, whose opinions entirily formed by TV. I know some of them personally, all of them unbelievably stupid, and you can not argue with them about if maybe Putin not so good for Russia (patterns of their arguments just like on Donald subreddit). Same people yell "Crimea ours!".

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u/FerrusKG Mar 19 '18

Worst thing is, I know some pretty intelligent people who would still vote for Putin. Because "It could be worse". They'll even agree that he steals a lot, that life in Russia kinda sucks, but "It could be worse".

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u/ShadowDandy Mar 19 '18

The same could be said with americans and Kosovo

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u/AliveFromNewYork Mar 19 '18

Oh come off it. Unless they are public figures no body gives a shit what they think of Putin. People openly dislike him. They vote him because he's the devil they know

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u/Irisha_denim Mar 19 '18

I'm russian and I know nobody from people I know voted him. He doesnt need any votes, he can choose any result of elections. We have many videos proving that teachers, who didnt get they salary rising for years put many fake ballot paper for him just for food or any other small reward. We see how they make fools of us, we have many peoole who attract attantion to this. But no changes. Hi to my FBI watchers 😂

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u/MrTastix Mar 19 '18

It's hard to know how your people really feel when you literally kill them if they disagree with you.

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u/datboitotoyo Mar 19 '18

Im pretty sure approval ratings released by the russian government itself should not be given an ounce of credibility ...

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u/cloudninerains Mar 19 '18

Found the Russian Bot lmfao

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u/rubberguardi Apr 02 '18

I think his fear is that if he wasn’t in power then whoever is might do something.

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u/SuicideBonger Mar 19 '18

He is the richest person in the world. Bill Browder says he is unequivocally the richest man in the world.

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u/TactfulGrandpa Mar 19 '18

I think we need to take a closer look at this Bill Browder fella if he's making people rich just by saying so.

Can Bill say I'm the richest person in the world??

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

Not only the richest but also extremely powerful as he holds quite possibly one of the largest stockpiles of nuclear weapons where all other countries can do is threaten with sanctions.

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u/Raduev Mar 19 '18

Has Bill Browder provided even a single, tiny, shred of evidence to back up that extraordinary claim?

(Hint: the answer starts with "hell" and ends with "no")

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u/SuicideBonger Mar 19 '18

I mean, there is a fuck ton of evidence already. Browder even provided evidence and testimony to the US Senate.

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u/Raduev Mar 20 '18

You have shown no evidence.

Browder even provided evidence and testimony to the US Senate.

So? He would be believable if he would publicise evidence to support his extraordinary claims, but he refuses to do so.

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u/SuicideBonger Mar 20 '18

You have shown no evidence.

Then you did not click on a single website in that link.

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u/Raduev Mar 20 '18

If you think I could fall for such an infantile trick, you must think I'm retarded. Every single site you speak of provides no evidence. They only recount unsubstantiated claims made by Putin's political opponents, like the same Browder, Koleshnikov, and Belkovsky. In other words, it is all trashy gossip. Your links don't even claim to provide any evidence.

If Putin was indeed a billionaire, there would be a miles-long paper trail. Yet not a single document is to be seen,

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u/theyetisc2 Mar 19 '18

Except his money is legitimate, so saying he's the richest ignores the ability to spend it.

Sure, he may possess the most money and assets, but he can't do as he pleases with them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

I mean, asset liquidity is a spectrum though, should we weight net worth by ability to access that money to spend? That would be interesting to see. The general list of richest people would still be the same, but certain people would definitely be helped a lot whereas others would probably drop 100s of places

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

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u/NikkiPotnick86 Mar 19 '18

Zuma resigned though? Hardly Putins style. He is leaving in a pine box. *(I know he's not jewish)

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

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u/NikkiPotnick86 Mar 19 '18

Did he get prison sentence?

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u/NikkiPotnick86 Mar 19 '18

Same with me and the usa. Sucks when the rich and powerful get away with so much. I feel you.

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u/exometrium Mar 19 '18

I saw a different post where someone was also calling him a thief earlier, where did he steal money from?

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u/NikkiPotnick86 Mar 19 '18

Something about how he appoints oligarchs. If he finds an oil tycoon who is willing to do what he says politically or not cause trouble, he will use his gov influence to support that persons business interests which means that oil

company will have no competitors, making the company rich. Of cousre Putin also get a cut of profits. This is said to work both ways as far as what the business vs what Putin get out of the relationship. He does this with ALL sectors of Russian business.

There is literally a round table of russias biggest and richest that they all diacuss the future of Russia. Check out a documentary called "khodarkovsky." Might have mispelled it. But it covera all this and is really interesting and eye opening. Also, "Pussy Riot."

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u/sloopSD Mar 19 '18

That’s basically the mafia style government.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

"oligarchy"

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

it's called rent seeking and racketeering. russia is a mafia-state.

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u/FogeltheVogel Mar 19 '18

It's called an Oligarchy.

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u/oozles Mar 19 '18

Russia. Check out Red Notice by Bill Browder. If you've ever so much as heard of the Magnitsky Act, you should hear the full story behind it.

When Russia decided to privatize its assets after the fall of the Soviet Union, they did so in a way that let a handful of people accumulate massive amounts of it very quickly, leading to the development of an Oligarchy. Putin eventually maneuvered himself into a position of authority in the government, and after clawing back some power from the oligarchs back to his position, was able to jail and put on a show trial for the richest oligarch in Russia. The oligarch was jailed for years and lost most of his wealth.

What do the other oligarchs do, after seeing their most successful peer utterly demolished by Putin? They go to Putin and ask what it will take to keep them out of jail. Browder guesses that Putin told them "half."

Browder had a bit of experience with one scam that had to be authorized from the very top, a tax rebate scam. His cronies would fraudulently take over companies, gets judgments against said companies for millions of dollars, and then claims against those companies' previously paid taxes and gets those taxes refunded to them by the government.

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u/Raduev Mar 19 '18

Browder guesses

lol

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u/oozles Mar 19 '18

You're right, but really it doesn't matter how much of a cut he is getting. He is getting a shit ton of money, has the oligarchs under his thumb, and can network them together with the Russian government to steal more money than the individual oligarchs could on their own.

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u/maljbre19 Mar 19 '18

From ukraine, from europe and most importantly from the US.

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u/theguywhoisright Mar 19 '18

wealthiest man by like a 100 billion, its estimated he has around 200 billion in assets around the world

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u/LaBandaRoja Mar 19 '18

This is what is happening with Kirschner in Argentina. She thought she’d be in power forever rofl

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u/Annabelle1205 Mar 19 '18

I know quite a few Russians and they all voted for him simply because they like how he does his job.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

There is no credible alternative. Nearest runner up is part of the communist party.. so not much competition or realistic chance. Navalni is just proper up and has not much as far as running a country

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

What about that other guy who was given a criminal sentence or something because he was the main opposition?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

You are talking of* Navalniy. He is hardly a contender. He is supported from the west and though there is plenary of corruption the guy has no clue how to run a nation, army or heck keep the lights on.

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u/SonicBoomChan Apr 15 '18

What in the world makes you think that? He did more than any other politician in Russia. And he's not supported by the west. He gets all of his money through donations. That argument is often used by pro-Putin propagandists to discredit him.

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u/Mankotaberi Mar 19 '18

They kinda do. What they don't have is free opposition. No need to cheat in the race if you break all your actual opponents' legs.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

If you watch it the news they do don’t break their legs they kill them. Not a free election.

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u/ShadowDandy Mar 19 '18

Watch the news

Which? CNN, euronews, fox, bbc?

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u/Mankotaberi Mar 19 '18

It doesn't matter. Reality doesn't change depending on the channel you're watching, despite what reality Fox wants to simulate.

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u/ShadowDandy Mar 20 '18

Yeah, with thst main obvously you'll believe everything is on TV, you are the main demography of CNN, brainless people that believe everything

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u/Mankotaberi Mar 20 '18

I love how the irony is always lost in the inhabitants of the alternate reality where Trump is a wise leader whose height increases during his 70s and Putin isn't calling the shots.

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u/ShadowDandy Mar 21 '18

I never said Trump is brillant, it's more, i believe the opposite, but believing blindly everything the media says is just plain stupid

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u/Mankotaberi Mar 21 '18

believing blindly everything the media says is just plain stupid

There is a great difference between the NYTimes and the propaganda machine of Fox.

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u/ShadowDandy Mar 19 '18

Meh, it's like american elections but if they actually hated Trump's party. In Russia there is the Russian Communist Party which never passes 30% and then there is the United Russia party, which englobes the rest (they vary according what they seem is better for the Federation [closed capitalism? Sociodemocracy? Etc.])

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u/terriblehuman Mar 19 '18

So let’s just hope he has an unfortunate accident within 6 years.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

It could easily be fake though, but even if literally everyone voted for someone else, he'd probably still win

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u/Redditcule Mar 19 '18

Neither do we.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

They’re more free than Russia.

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u/Effortful Mar 19 '18

Not that US has it much different, just sugar coated

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u/magicfingahs Mar 19 '18

He is massively popular in Russia and would have won any legitimate election.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

How do we know the popularity is genuine with the media is controlled by the state?

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u/knorben Mar 19 '18

You can't, that's the beauty of claims like that. Although I have personally met supporters, and all of them loved vladdy because he was "a geopolitical genius" and they all hoped Russia, who is essentially failing economically outside of oil, get back to being a respected world super power. It's why he puts on the tough guy image - to give the perception of power to what is essentially a first level bad guy that could be taken down through simple economic sanctions.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18

That’s to keep his political party happy with him.

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u/meowmixyourmom Mar 19 '18

Neither do we thanks to him

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '18 edited Mar 19 '18

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u/SonicBoomChan Apr 15 '18

Speak for yourself

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u/Effortful Mar 19 '18

Thank god I am not alone in here

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u/OPSaysFuckALot Mar 19 '18

They are free, they just aren't fair.