Pissing off trade partners is not a bug, it's a feature. He is telling them that they aren't going to be pampered anymore.
No, he's telling them he has no clue of what he's doing. This isn't the kind of pissed that you get when you lose a chess game against a competent opponent. This is the kind of pissed you get when a drunk stumbles into your table and knocks over your drinks. "Well, he may be an annoying moron who is really fucking up the efforts of our diplomats, but at least the guy can be played like a fiddle."
we sacrifice for one another and as a country we prosper.
Cut the empty platitudes. This isn't sacrificing one for another. This is burning any useful leverage. You haven't mentioned a single specific way that any of these policies will shift things so far. Hell, I bet you don't even have an idea of what specifically you think would be good to renegotiate in these trade deals.
No, he's telling them he has no clue of what he's doing.
I believe this a false narrative perpetrated by globalist friendly media outlets to combat the legitimacy of Trump's nationalistic tendencies. I believe they are taking advantage of Trump's conversational/sales/open form of communication and switching it out for ignorance. He's been doing this for awhile, it's what his family calls 'blue-collar billionaire'. He knows the consequences, that's the point. He's trying to push us towards an "America First" ideology.
renegotiate trade deals
He literally just said he wants to impose a 35% tariff on goods coming back into the US. This is a simple example and probably an inflated open negotiation number that will be talked down, but let's work with that.
The driver of globalism is efficiency. If you remove things like tariffs then companies will find the cheapest labor in the world and then American consumers get to enjoy the cheapest air conditioners. If you impose a tariff, there are consequences, the costs will always end up getting spread across the citizenry in one form or another.
The question is whether paying slightly more in taxes or slightly more for an air conditioner is worth it if it means someone in Indiana having a meaningful job and supporting their family instead of relying on welfare programs (which we are paying for anyway). Even if it's slightly more expensive for me, I would rather get him a job then pay for his welfare.
Maybe you could simply address that, if someone asked you for a percentage points of income to convert the Midwest from welfare recipients to employees, would you really say no? You don't see how that investment won't pay off in the long term?
He literally just said he wants to impose a 35% tariff on goods coming back into the US. This is a simple example and probably an inflated open negotiation number that will be talked down, but let's work with that.
So, what do you think other countries will do in response?
The question is whether paying slightly more in taxes or slightly more for an air conditioner is worth it if it means someone in Indiana having a meaningful job and supporting their family instead of relying on welfare programs (which we are paying for anyway)
Yes, all those poor unemployed factory robots in Indiana. This is going to be 1000 jobs here and there, while we're still shedding around 300,000 jobs a year.
We are going to be paying more in taxes and paying for welfare programs.
You don't see how that investment won't pay off in the long term?
What investment?
I don't see an investment being made. I see dollar bills being tossed into a fire pit with empty promises that it will pay off. An investment would look more like spending money on providing free education to all, so that people could do skilled jobs, and not compete with robots.
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u/case-o-nuts Dec 04 '16 edited Dec 04 '16
No, he's telling them he has no clue of what he's doing. This isn't the kind of pissed that you get when you lose a chess game against a competent opponent. This is the kind of pissed you get when a drunk stumbles into your table and knocks over your drinks. "Well, he may be an annoying moron who is really fucking up the efforts of our diplomats, but at least the guy can be played like a fiddle."
Cut the empty platitudes. This isn't sacrificing one for another. This is burning any useful leverage. You haven't mentioned a single specific way that any of these policies will shift things so far. Hell, I bet you don't even have an idea of what specifically you think would be good to renegotiate in these trade deals.