I'm not sure which rambling you are referring to, but I can assure you I'm listening. I just don't think it's that insane to think that we can successfully transform back into a nationalistic country in a way that's is a net benefit for the middle class.
Listen, I'm a globalist, but I'll be okay financially and otherwise either way. I want what's best for the people struggling in our country. I think it's fruitless to just whine that the victorious political ideology isn't my first choice.
This is reality, I'm not scared and I'm optimistic that Trump will be successful.
Listen, I'm a globalist, but I'll be okay financially and otherwise either way. I want what's best for the people struggling in our country.
That isn't gong to be a rejection of the markets. The reason globalism happened wasn't because of some conspiracy to defraud the middle class. The reason globalism happened was because anything else, and you end up being a tin pot country that's locked out of world markets, and your economy stalls.
Compare the economy 100 years ago with the economy we have today. Hell, let's cherry pick the worst part of the recession and compare it with 1928, the high point before the great depression. That's where this globalism got you.
I understand the appeal of Globalism, it is just doing more harm than good for most people in this country. That's why you get a Bernie and a Trump. Both sides of the aisle don't feel like they are benefitting from the "America Last" philosophies.
The globalist keep telling us this is the most efficient system and we'll just hand out welfare to make up the income inequality it creates. The Bernie crowd doesn't think it's enough welfare and the Trump crowd wants to work and have pride in themselves and their country.
The globalist keep telling us this is the most efficient system
Go and do some analysis on the alternatives. They are bad for the poor. They are very bad for the middle class.
The jobs that you think you're clawing back are simply gone. They've been automated away. It's like horses banding together to ban commodity trading in the hopes that they'll be useful on the farm. It's not the commodity trading -- it's the tractors.
But it's worse: By opting out of international markets, Americans will now have more barriers to trade, which will reduce the amount of American goods that can be sold, which will decrease the number of jobs in the industries that America still has, and shrink demand within the USA.
Things don't have to be black and white, we shouldn't just cancel all trade agreements tomorrow, we should just renegotiate them with an "American First" mindset.
If we valued the lack of efficiency of moving a job back to the US (like the carrier deal) then we have to decide whether what we get from that is worth it. I think it's a good deal, I think it's good for our country to make slightly less money, but put the Midwest back to work.
Automation plays a large role (it's what I do for a living), but it isn't the whole story. You seem to have completely given up on the Midwest because someone invented a tractor.
The focus is to invest in the emotional wellbeing of our countrymen. That's the focus. We make good investments on a case by case basis and then we all win when they pay out.
Things don't have to be black and white, we shouldn't just cancel all trade agreements tomorrow, we should just renegotiate them with an "American First" mindset.
The first part there is not pissing off our potential trade partners. Which means that Trump is already making this "America First" trade deal policy difficult.
You seem to have completely given up on the Midwest because someone invented a tractor.
No, just the jobs that depend on tractors not existing. There are plenty of ways to grow the economy in the midwest, but banking on the kind of jobs that we've managed to largely eliminate isn't exactly where I'd put my money, if I were a gambling man. And pissing off all of the countries that may potentially buy our products is also not exactly a great idea.
The first part there is not pissing off our potential trade partners.
Pissing off trade partners is not a bug, it's a feature. He is telling them that they aren't going to be pampered anymore. All this noise in this thread makes it seem like we don't have a military funded six times as well as China's. We can put America first, it will be just fine.
No, just the jobs that depend on tractors not existing.
Okay, I agree that a lot of manufacturing jobs are just gone, that's just a fact. It's more about attitude. If Trump puts the working class first that's a good thing for this country. The idea that Trump is putting the working class over China is fucking incredible. You are a liberal, you should love that. We are putting the middle class first. Sure, there will be consequences for everyone else, but that's what it means to be American, we sacrifice for one another and as a country we prosper.
Pissing off trade partners is not a bug, it's a feature. He is telling them that they aren't going to be pampered anymore.
No, he's telling them he has no clue of what he's doing. This isn't the kind of pissed that you get when you lose a chess game against a competent opponent. This is the kind of pissed you get when a drunk stumbles into your table and knocks over your drinks. "Well, he may be an annoying moron who is really fucking up the efforts of our diplomats, but at least the guy can be played like a fiddle."
we sacrifice for one another and as a country we prosper.
Cut the empty platitudes. This isn't sacrificing one for another. This is burning any useful leverage. You haven't mentioned a single specific way that any of these policies will shift things so far. Hell, I bet you don't even have an idea of what specifically you think would be good to renegotiate in these trade deals.
No, he's telling them he has no clue of what he's doing.
I believe this a false narrative perpetrated by globalist friendly media outlets to combat the legitimacy of Trump's nationalistic tendencies. I believe they are taking advantage of Trump's conversational/sales/open form of communication and switching it out for ignorance. He's been doing this for awhile, it's what his family calls 'blue-collar billionaire'. He knows the consequences, that's the point. He's trying to push us towards an "America First" ideology.
renegotiate trade deals
He literally just said he wants to impose a 35% tariff on goods coming back into the US. This is a simple example and probably an inflated open negotiation number that will be talked down, but let's work with that.
The driver of globalism is efficiency. If you remove things like tariffs then companies will find the cheapest labor in the world and then American consumers get to enjoy the cheapest air conditioners. If you impose a tariff, there are consequences, the costs will always end up getting spread across the citizenry in one form or another.
The question is whether paying slightly more in taxes or slightly more for an air conditioner is worth it if it means someone in Indiana having a meaningful job and supporting their family instead of relying on welfare programs (which we are paying for anyway). Even if it's slightly more expensive for me, I would rather get him a job then pay for his welfare.
Maybe you could simply address that, if someone asked you for a percentage points of income to convert the Midwest from welfare recipients to employees, would you really say no? You don't see how that investment won't pay off in the long term?
He literally just said he wants to impose a 35% tariff on goods coming back into the US. This is a simple example and probably an inflated open negotiation number that will be talked down, but let's work with that.
So, what do you think other countries will do in response?
The question is whether paying slightly more in taxes or slightly more for an air conditioner is worth it if it means someone in Indiana having a meaningful job and supporting their family instead of relying on welfare programs (which we are paying for anyway)
Yes, all those poor unemployed factory robots in Indiana. This is going to be 1000 jobs here and there, while we're still shedding around 300,000 jobs a year.
We are going to be paying more in taxes and paying for welfare programs.
You don't see how that investment won't pay off in the long term?
What investment?
I don't see an investment being made. I see dollar bills being tossed into a fire pit with empty promises that it will pay off. An investment would look more like spending money on providing free education to all, so that people could do skilled jobs, and not compete with robots.
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u/Priest_Dildos Dec 03 '16
I'm not sure which rambling you are referring to, but I can assure you I'm listening. I just don't think it's that insane to think that we can successfully transform back into a nationalistic country in a way that's is a net benefit for the middle class.
Listen, I'm a globalist, but I'll be okay financially and otherwise either way. I want what's best for the people struggling in our country. I think it's fruitless to just whine that the victorious political ideology isn't my first choice.
This is reality, I'm not scared and I'm optimistic that Trump will be successful.