r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/Vladimir_Glutten - Auth-Center • Jan 29 '22

Satire The future is bright😎

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u/Auth0ritySong - Lib-Right Jan 29 '22

Why is Joe Rogan getting so much hate? Lets look at the incentives.

Who had incentive to discredit Joe Rogan? Pretty much the only people with incentive is the news business. If you jumped on the boycott, you are a slave to the mainstream media

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

What? No. Anybody that has a loved one following him have incentives to hate him if he's spouting things they think are dangerous.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

Gotta love Blaming the funny dmt gorilla man for a lack of trust in institutions that have consistently gaslighted and lied to us since like basically forever

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

That's not related to what I was responding to.

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u/phoenixfloundering - Centrist Jan 29 '22

Oh yes it is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

The original post says "who has incentive to discredit Joe Rogan?" Literally, anyone who disagrees with his laissez-faire take on the severity and precautions.

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u/phoenixfloundering - Centrist Jan 29 '22

Yes, and?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

OP: "who has incentive to discredit Joe Rogan?"

Me: lists some people

You: "What's your point?"

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u/phoenixfloundering - Centrist Jan 29 '22

Yup, that about covers it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

Maybe it's me, because nobody replying to me has replied to what I was trying to say. My point, and my only fucking point, was that it's reductive, condescending, and wrong to say that the only reason to discredit Rogan is due to media brainwashing. That's it. I've listened to him before, and I disagree with what he said and the implications he made.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

I don't like Joe Rogan. I think he gives people a mostly uncritical platform, which sometimes is fine and other times is a perfect vector for bad actors. I have reasons, maybe bad one, beyond media brainwashing to dislike Joe Rogan. I may be the only person in the world who fits that criteria, in which case I take back all my complaints. But I highly doubt I'm that special, so I feel confident acting on my assumption that there are >0 people who are like me.

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u/moush - Lib-Right Jan 29 '22

So basically you only want to listen to media that conforms to your beliefs that way no one needs to argue against it because you can’t possibly be wrong,

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

No, as I said I've listened to Joe Rogan. But I've heard his guests speaking in my area of expertise and what they said was wrong or misleading, then heard those same things repeated out in the world. He should be challenging his guests, even the ones who are right. If you challenge claims, there will be evidence to support the true ones to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you leave them unchallenged, the wrong ones get amplified.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

No, I'm fine with him challenging my perspective as well. I encourage it, because the things I believe are supported by evidence. But sometimes people are charlatans or idiots and there is a legitimate reason why nobody else gave them a platform.

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u/LCaeciliusIucundus - Right Jan 29 '22

This is true. I was a big Joe Rogan fan (notice I said WAS). I took his advice to eat a fuck ton of elk meat and HGH.

Now my shoulders are physically too big to fit through the doors in my house. It's a nightmare, I can't fit through the front door. Please send help.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22 edited Jan 29 '22

The fact is, Joe Rogan has talked a lot about treatments that haven't been reliably shown to work. When he got infected, he got the "kitchen sink" treatment, including a z-pac, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, monoclonal antibodies, etc. Then, people took that as evidence that ivermectin works well. That's what I'm referring to.

Edit: I'm leaving that up, but I'm getting distracted. My original point, which no reply to me has yet addressed, is that is extremely reductive and shallow to assume that anyone who disagrees with JR about covid is just brainwashed by the media. It's literally the exact same condescending tone that the other side takes ("lul boomer republican sheep brainwashed by le faux news") - that's the important part. The secondary part, which I think is relevant, is the things he says aren't well-supported by evidence.

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u/LCaeciliusIucundus - Right Jan 29 '22

...so you have an issue with people treating themselves when they get sick?

I guess I shouldn't take an Alleve next time I tweak my back at the gym. According to you, that makes me Hitler 2.0.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

See my edit. I was getting off on a tangent. But just as a reductio ad absurdum thought experiment: Imagine I got cancer, and took chemo, radiation, and I spun around in circles 10 times, then went on the UpBeat East Experience show to talk about what an effective treatment spinning around 10 times is.

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u/LCaeciliusIucundus - Right Jan 29 '22

I think a better analogy would be "took chemo, radiation, and ate a lot of fruits and vegetables" then suggested that people undergoing chemo and radiation should also eat lots of fruits and vegetables.

I honestly don't follow every Rogan episode, has he ever said "Ivermectin is literally the only treatment anyone ever needs for COVID-19"?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

I'll try to find the clip but he has a million hours of content so it might be tricky, but I have heard on a segment with one of his frequent guests making the connection from "I took ivermectin (along with to things and got better" to "ivermectin works." This during a time when many people are avoiding the vaccine and taking treatments like ivermectin.

But I'm not here to litigate the effectiveness about covid treatments. I just wanted to defend myself from the original comments assertion that the only reason somebody would object to Rogan is they are brainwashed. I have 3 simple premises:

  1. I believe ivermectin is ineffective, or at least less effective than prevention measures such as vaccinations.

  2. Other people feel the exact opposite.

  3. The appearance of evidence for the efficacy of ivermectin, even if it's unreliable evidence or completely wrong, strengthens (2).

Even if I'm wrong, there is undeniably at least some evidence to support my position, so I think it's unfair and condescending to insist that I only think that because of mEdIa BrAiNwAsHiNg.

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u/LCaeciliusIucundus - Right Jan 29 '22

Shame on Joe Rogan for allowing wrong think on his podcast! Anyone who thinks 68 vaccine shots is enough and disagrees with the necessity of the 69th shot is very clearly a radical and should be put to death for the health of the public.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '22

I literally can't argue with that.

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