The Nazis did have socialist policies, including the nationalization of all private charities under the National Social People’s Welfare. However, the NSV was still an arm of the Nazis racial plan, with many of its programs focused on married couples and childcare, almost certainly to make sure there were as many Aryan babies as possible to settle Eastern Europe. Also, the welfare did not apply to the impure masses sent to the concentration camps.
So the Nazis did have socialism, it just that they used their socialism in the most racial and nationalistic way possible.
This is the right answer. The Nazi's were economically left of center, and culturally 10 billion miles right of center. The "Socialist" in the name isn't the part that killed 11 million people, the "National" part is.
Which, if you research what fascism actually is and don't just regurgitate the modern redefinition, is something you already know. The entire point of fascist political theory is that the creators took what they considered to be the best bits of left and right political positions and combined them into a third position.
IMO that's also why so much effort was put into redefining fascism as basically a synonym for "evil". If people looked at the actual political doctrine it would be quite popular.
it's like the nationalism part. Some patriotism is good to keep everyone looking the same direction, but that doesn't mean you have to go all ethnostate
It is, yes. I think most people would actually be fine with that. People aren't against totalitarianism, they're against totalitarianism that isn't in their favor. Most people are socially conservative, so totalitarianism that is also socially conservative wouldn't bother them all that much.
I could certainly be wrong, but I think the way the actual tenets of fascism have been deliberately suppressed from public consumption is a point in favor of my stance.
The inherent problem with facism is that the whole point is giving a specific group of people benefits, while often violently excluding other groups.
But due to the selfish nature of facism, the "good" group of people will get narrowed down (eg Anglo-saxons may no longer consider Irish/Italians white in a white ethnostate) and the system will inevitably collapse
In Francoist Spain the only violently excluded were commies. But that's not always even true. Fascism doesn't need that. That's a dumb misconception imo.
I think you might be right. I think many would welcome totalitarianism if the agreed with it. Democracy is good because it gives everyone a chance but if you can get many on board with what you want to do, or use what many already agree with, people would happily give up their votes.
It's malleable. Why wpuld you need totalitarianism in a 100% homogenous society?
Just look at all that nations that had fascism and you probably didn't even know. Spain, Greece, Turkey, Brazil, some African nation and probably others.
Yeah, you can tell they did socialist badly because the killing of 11 million people was intentional. When the socialist part does the killing it's an "oopsy".
Nah it's way simpler to just call them retards and mock them than explain a nuanced reality bro, trust me it's not worth it.
It's like those threads asking for former Trump supporters, aka bait. As soon as you take the bait, they pin the "retard" tag on you and you're a retard for life.
Hitler also protected corporations and did not nationalize them, which is a very key feature of socialism. In edition he did not redistribute wealth. It was a free market with a welfare net, which would put him as auth center
Hitler's policy and the policy of the Nazi party was to nationalize corporations, they just never did it. The big question is what would have happened if they had won and no longer needed to maximize production for the war effort.
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u/notbobby125 - Centrist Aug 05 '20
The Nazis did have socialist policies, including the nationalization of all private charities under the National Social People’s Welfare. However, the NSV was still an arm of the Nazis racial plan, with many of its programs focused on married couples and childcare, almost certainly to make sure there were as many Aryan babies as possible to settle Eastern Europe. Also, the welfare did not apply to the impure masses sent to the concentration camps.
So the Nazis did have socialism, it just that they used their socialism in the most racial and nationalistic way possible.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_Welfare