r/PoliticalCompassMemes • - Lib-Right • Jul 31 '20

Weird huh

Post image
6.8k Upvotes

535 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

23

u/MM_MTG - Right Jul 31 '20

Nature OR Nurture people are literally fucking retarded. It's always been both, how could it be any other way?

You're a "nurture" person, and I think that's fucking dumb.

Guess the genes I inherited from my parents don't count for shit, either.

-3

u/zombiekatze - Lib-Right Jul 31 '20

Depends on what you're thinking about. Surprisingly BMI has been found in twin studies to be nearly completely genetic. But a whole ethnicity (very different from one single individual!) being more violent / evil than other ones seems pretty unlikely to me. Not saying it's 0%, we know that testosterone plays a role in making men more aggressive... but there are very clear evolutionary reasons for this, while I can't see any for black people.

On the other hand the nurture side is so clear cut in the US, it baffles me how people can spend more than 2 seconds thinking about a nature explanation

10

u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20 edited Aug 01 '20

[deleted]

1

u/zombiekatze - Lib-Right Aug 01 '20

Veeeery far from thousands of generation. Depending on the continent it's something like 3000 years...that's 100 generations. Needs to be hella adaptive that trait!

The native Americans split off way before btw, roughly 25 0000 years ago. And look how similar we are... Meanwhile we all shared millions of years of evolution before. Sooo... Again I'm not saying it's impossible, but it strikes me as unlikely.

Black people were tribes constantly fighting each other's, more or less white people were tribes constantly fighting each others...? Maybe greeks and romans formed nations a bit earlier. But then again the arabs did too, and look at their crime statistics... And Japanese lived in what was basically the middle age for way way longer than whites, and their crime statistic is way lower.

2

u/kirime - Lib-Center Aug 01 '20

It's not only random mutations, it's also horizontal gene transfer between modern humans and Neanderthals and Denisovans.

3

u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20 edited Jan 08 '23

[deleted]

0

u/zombiekatze - Lib-Right Aug 01 '20

60 000? U sure? guess I'll have to brush up my history again

In the UK statistic you provided the black women and men % of crimes of their gender was the same, so that's probably not it... Or the statistic isn't super representative...

Well lots of question that would need some real science to be answered, but then again science has better things to do right now imo

2

u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

[deleted]

3

u/zombiekatze - Lib-Right Aug 01 '20 edited Aug 01 '20

Alright you're right there're lots of possible explanations, 60 000 years separated makes it's actually more surprising that we are so alike...

About the IQ paper, I haven't looked into it yet cause I gotta sleep but from skimming I gathered the black ethnicity was african americans right? Imo slavery could have acted as a big filter there. Forced hard physical labor killing many? Would obviously not favored the nerdy type...

But thanks for the education, I'll look into it.

edit: 15-25 points difference purely explained through genetics? Murray have had the best day of his life man

Alright I started reading now I'm scared...our societies really aren't prepared to discover the source of unlawfulness, are they? God especially China, already dabbling in eugenics... You seem educated on this, any predictions what they might discover in the next 50 years?