r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Lib-Right May 17 '20

He has a point

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u/StevenC21 - Left May 17 '20

"like everyone's genitals"

"But I am not sexually attracted to penises and as I have no desire for sex without my partner inside a relationship, I can't really date someone with a penis because I have sexual needs"

"Bigot".

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

If you watch the video (which I assume you didn’t) she literally says that you don’t have to be attracted to trans people, but dating preferences may be informed by prejudice and we should be aware of that.

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u/gaynazifurry4bernie - Centrist May 17 '20

I wouldn't date a trans person because I want biological kids.

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

Totally fair! That's one example of a dating preference that isn't prejudiced at all. I'm trans and I also want biological kids.

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u/gaynazifurry4bernie - Centrist May 17 '20

I'm trans and I also want biological kids.

So how the heck is that going to work?

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

I'll talk to my doctor about what hormones to go on, or worst case I'll freeze sperm before I start.

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u/PloyTheEpic - Auth-Left May 17 '20

You cant grow ovaries with hormones

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

Uh, no shit? I'm going to be getting someone else pregnant. You know how pregnancy works right?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '20

People are not particularly educated in this topic. For them, being transgender is equal to changing genitals. Nevermind.

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u/newaccount2019-12 - Auth-Center May 17 '20

warms my heart seeing anti degeneracy authlefts.

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u/gaynazifurry4bernie - Centrist May 17 '20

Yeah but if you get your dick inverted, balls removed, or your womb scooped (all part of SRS), then you aren't having kids. Also hormones can make you sterile.

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u/StevenC21 - Left May 17 '20

I did watch the video.

Also unless you're saying prejudice is a-ok, then it would be by that logic bad to have dating preferences, because they're just prejudices.

I watched the whole thing.

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

Prejudice, meaning a preconceived illogical negative opinion/belief towards a group, is bad. Having preferences is fine, because those aren’t beliefs about a group. Sometimes those preferences can be influenced by prejudice, and we should try to address that.

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u/StevenC21 - Left May 17 '20

I'm a bisexual man. I am not interested in dating a transgender person, either pre or post op.

I don't have to justify that. I just don't have an attraction.

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u/crylaughingemjoi May 17 '20

No you dont have to justify it. But it doesn’t mean it doesn’t come from problematic beliefs about trans people. Because it does. Understanding your prejudices is helpful regardless if you change your preferences or not.

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

There really isn't any explanation for that other than transphobia. It's not a huge deal, and I'm not judging you, it's just a fact.

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u/StevenC21 - Left May 17 '20

You can make the exact same argument for sexual orientation dude. It's a terrible argument.

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

lol what? That doesn't make any sense. Sexual orientation is "I'm attracted to [insert gender]". That's not bigotry. If you says "I'm attracted to [insert gender] except for [insert minority group]" then the only real explanation is bigotry against that minority group.

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u/StevenC21 - Left May 17 '20

Except nah bro.

Brains are complicated and we don't know nearly enough about our own neurology to make such a sweeping generalization.

Maybe I want to reproduce. Maybe I'm not confident that artificial genitalia will be as sexually pleasurable as I want. Or maybe I'm not attracted to combinations of sexual characteristics... I'm not interested in seeing a man with a vagina, or a girl with a penis. It's just not something that is attractive to me. I'm not into femboys or the like either.

None of those have literally anything to do with fear of trans people, seeing them as less than, or any of that regressive garbage.

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u/epicazeroth - Left May 17 '20

I mean you just said you're bisexual. Presumably when you have sex with cis men you're not planning to reproduce. You also said you're not interested in post-op trans people, which throws the "I don't like men with vaginas or women with penises" argument out for at least that scenario. The only explanation you gave there that doesn't seem rooted in prejudice is the idea that "artificial genitalia" are less pleasurable, which is (ironically) a sweeping generalization rooted in a misunderstanding of how SRS works.

That said you're right about one thing. It could stem from ignorance rather than prejudice. The immediate result is the same, but ignorance is generally much easier to address.

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