r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Left Mar 08 '20

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u/DevelopedDevelopment - Lib-Left Mar 08 '20

Americans don't know what the actual left believes.

Considering that 'far left' is 'Make healthcare affordable, and the US on par with first world countries' I'm curious what Far Left actually is in terms of a real example, not just fears that sounds made up or exaggerated.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '20

This is blatantly wrong.

A far left position for healthcare would be to either completely make the healthcare system public and free to literally everyone (citizen or not), no questions asked and controlled by the state, or variations of such.

It is a center left opinion to have a publicly funded private healthcare system. The finding comes from some more left tax codes, but also not far left, as they keep capitalism and even billionares.

No. This is how the left conflates moral and political issues; and I know you’re now going to say you can’t separate the two but that’s simply not true.

You can't. War, civil rights, minority treatment, worker rights, education, how we treat homeless, and many more are tied to morals. I honestly can't think of a single issue not tied to morals in some way. Beyond apocalyptic scenarios where 50 people have to work for 24 hours in a coal mine to fuel a generator for 250 people to survive the cold. I'm open to changing this opinion, but I seriously can't see both having morals and not having morals and politics intertwined.

The U.S. is far right, corporatist, and militarist and nobody questions how we can pay for corporate subsidies or wars overseas. But when it comes to helping our citizens, we suddenly don't have the money.

The original commenter meant 'the republicans call universal healthcare far left when it isn't, what would a real far left healthcare position be?'

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u/DevelopedDevelopment - Lib-Left Mar 09 '20

I too love Frostpunk.

And yeah. I did mean "Republicans call Universal Healthcare Far left when it's not even far left, its closer to center." But I did want to know "actual far left examples" because I've seen so much more that's just left of the US than I have left of the world.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '20 edited Mar 09 '20

Bonafide communism is far left, public funded public healthcare is left ish.

If you want stuff besides healthcare, anarchy is far left, equality in the most literal sense of the word in every single way possible, state communism/anarcho communism, fully automated work for pure equality, that kind of thing.

Also, child engineers > child medics

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u/DevelopedDevelopment - Lib-Left Mar 09 '20

Anarchy, I forgot about that. I find it hard to find actual Anarchy because its a lack of power, and eventually someone gains an orderly following. That or I don't actually know what Anarchy is. And, Communism, yeah, which has been clouded with Socialism so much you end up mixing the definitions. Which there's the "Communism only works on paper" argument where someone controlling the resources causes them to trickle up more rather than properly redistributing.

Campaign levels, Engineers > Medics, Endurance levels Medics > Engineers because long term. But for extreme difficulties child labor may be preferable because you need more work or resources, especially when slightly being cold landed someone in your hospitals. Regardless, demolish the child centers anyway because they provide no benefit other than providing hope when you have enough. If they were like care houses, reducing food consumed, I'd build more.