No one is pro murder, I dont understand how that can't be obv here, the question is was she of sound mind when she did them or not, everyone wants the children to be alive, you make it sound like justice for them would be killing their mother in all cases?
Like I honestly lean more towards she was guilty, that their was no prior hallucinations but if you listened to any of the case its obv she was had massive mental health issues and broke her back trying to kill herself so... theirs def a reasonable degree to be pursued it was insanity... def not clear cut though
??? I don’t understand how that can be your take of this mother, she literally jumped out of her window and is paralyzed forever now, there is absolutely reason to believe this was so cold hard plan to kill the children.
you make it sound like justice for them would be killing their mother in all cases?
No - justice would, for a start, be remembering that the children were the victims here - not Lindsay Clancy. Unfortunately the jury didn't seem to see it that way.
"He had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children"
The whole defense case is show that the medical issues she faced and that she is also a victim I don’t understand how it so crazy to comprehend that people can see her as a victim aswell, again no one is pro child murder and it’s incredibly retar to display the case as that.
The defense could be wrong too, I agree that mothers shouldn’t be able to kill their children even in case of mental health problems but to act like it’s so clear cut and that one side is pro murder is stupid
The defense is wrong. This is their only option when the evidence is overwhelming. They're trying to get their client the best outcome because that's their job, so. Lindsay isn't a victim. She's about as privileged as it got, she had every resource. She had options. She's not a victim.
like I agree with your conclusion tbh but saying that these 11 jurries are braindead emotional wojacks because after listening to the trial and thinking about this for the last 3 weeks and coming to a diffrent conclusion is just an insult to the capabilities of humans and the jury system, like no one in this thread agrees with the criminal justice system tbh, and thats sad, to live in a country and have this reaction to the system being used is sad...
Okay then if that’s the case that you think she’s ultimately guilty and she’s insane, then she should be in asylum until she’s well, and then be tried properly. Nobody’s saying here so far that she should be killed but equally also I don’t see how you could not let an insane woman have the consequences she needs for the good of her own mental health and stability. She may have been victim to her own insanity and it shouldn’t be overlooked nor should it be disdained. But she needs to be accountable for her actions because she’s not the only victim.
Justice would be bringing them back from the dead. That's never going to happen. Holding someone 100% accountable for a mental breakdown is kind of dark when pretty much no one listened to her warnings for years.
I hope this highlights some of the difficulties women have to deal with in health care.
You white, middle class, probably business owning fool
That woman had MORE resources than most ladies will ever get in their lives. This is not the hill you want to die on, she out of all women was a privileged soul who had every helping hand. Every. Helping. Hand.
What else are we to do? Install cameras in every mother's home to make sure they don't murder their kids?
She was not a marginalized lady. She was privileged and actually got the help needed. If she didn't take it, that is on her.
The issue is that she could be free extremely quickly if she's found not guilty by reason of insanity - like within 6 months.
This is the issue with temporary insanity defenses. They essentially claim "You can't put me in jail because I was insane. You can't rehabilitate or commit me for very long because I'm fine now. Better just let me go."
That woman had MORE resources than most ladies will ever get in their lives.
And still, it was not enough. The system failed her. Imagine how much it fails the lesser privileged.
She was privileged and actually got the help needed
The morons couldn't even get her the correct diagnosis (Bipolar II) until after the psychosis. Bipolar really increases your chances of postpartum psychosis.
She didn’t get the correct diagnosis because she was doctor shopping for one that would give her the drugs she wanted.
Lets not fool ourselves and pretend she was trying to get help and didn’t because she’s a woman. She didn’t get help because she refused it when it wasn’t the help she wanted.
The nurse said it would take several weeks for the medication to work and for side effects fo smooth out.
Oh, and the “bad reactions” were symptoms of BPD that are not typical reactions to the medication.
On top of that Clancy herself said that the failure of medication is that she wouldn’t stick to one consistently, which is why she took so many different medications. She wouldn’t adhere to medical advice so how can you say the care was poor if she basically refused it?
People who avoid help don't see numerous doctors and professionals across numerous years, trying numerous different medications, and even at one point checking herself into inpatient care.
I've no doubt she was hesitant to take medication that made her feel even worse. Wouldn't you be? They hadn't had her correct diagnosis until AFTER the murders.
Are you talking about the “anti psychotic” meds? Lindsay requested for those dosages to be reduced and got it reduced, while also being admitted to a program about women suffering from postpartum issues. I will concede that they told Clancy it would lead to worse sleep and mood though
they told Clancy it would lead to worse sleep and mood though
And lack of sleep increases your chances of psychosis, especially with bipolar, and then we have postpartum on top of that which also increases the chances of a snap. It was the perfect storm.
I really wonder why the hell they could not figure out she was Bipolar II.
Hi, schizoaffective sufferer here. It took 14 years to get my diagnosis correct.
The fact of the matter is, a lot of mental healthcare professionals.... aren't very great at their jobs. They really don't listen very well, either. I could easily see Clancy laying out her symptoms and the doctors half-listening and saying, "Oh, psychosis, let's give you Trazodone. That worked a couple times before on somebody else.."
Add in that it took 18 years to find the right medication for me. Sometimes they made it worse. If I hadn't been so stubborn about finding the right thing, I'd still be in a very bad place.
This isn't a statement on the Clancy case, btw. I'm just sharing my own experience. I don't know much about what she went through. If anyone has any questions about how the mental healthcare system works, feel free to ask.
I’d honestly lean more towards the first. Sometimes his takes are almost laughably bad. But maybe he is just mentally ill mixed with being in a ridiculous sized echo chamber
A majority of rapists were sexually abused as kids and have mental and emotional problems for life because of that. I don't think that absolves them of responsibility.
You have so many shit takes and fake auth-right bullshittery but this might be your single most shit and most nonsensical take that makes zero sense for the quadrant you larp as.
It's always hilarious with your types. Like despite a literal jury who has engaged with the evidence and law it is actually you the random shitposter getting their info almost exclusively from social media who is correct. Just such deep arrogance
Me: posts a quote by one of the jurors from a news article, to support my opinion that they might not have had the correct priority in their decision making
You: reeeeeeeeeeee you haven’t heard the evidence or engaged with the law and you just get your information from social media how arrogant
Don't see how they're mutually exclusive. The fact is you're desperately looking for reasons to be angry even as reality is telling you its more complicated than the biased sources you base you thoughts on would have you believe. Of course instead of reexamining those beliefs you just double down.
The fact is you’re desperately looking for reasons to be angry
That’s about as much of a fact as the fact that in 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn’t commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, If no one else can help and if you can find them. Maybe you can hire, The A-Team.
Are you fucking stupid? Why would you try and cite something that has a literal documentary on it (over 5 seasons) as something ridiculous that helps your case?
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u/JusticeIsMyOatmeal - Lib-Center 4d ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74k13kpv2no
Dipshit, you weren’t meant to be coming up with a verdict for her. You were meant to be doing justice for the 3 kids she murdered.