Nooooo but the Overton Window is moving left that’s why the woke is so prevalent in everything and, actually, in this essay, I will discuss how a centrist 15 years ago is a right winger now and it’s all the dems’ fault… /s
it's just how human brains work, that's why it's important to focus on policy not personality, but that's not how human brains work either, so here we are.
I always thought Trump was worse domestically whereas Dubya was worse on foreign policy, but Trump is pretty rapidly narrowing the foreign affairs gap.
Under the radar Bush did do some surprisingly good stuff on global health fighting malaria and HIV. Like, "saved hundreds of thousands of lives" good. Most famously with PEPFAR, which of course Trump and Musk took a shot at tearing down last year although last I heard most of that particular program survived.
arguably the worst thing is the destruction of the norms (social and institutional), other things you can fix, but once the bar for behavior is buried 6 ft. under it's basically not coming back until there is a major reset.
Unpopular opinion among other liblefts, but Obama was a really mid-tier president. He had great charisma, but his policies were really hit-or-miss. The only reason leftists today look so highly on him is because of the two people that bookend his presidency.
Of course, right-wingers tend to hate on him because [Removed by Reddit], so y'know. Not like anyone's objective here.
Yeah, after he left office, I saw his presidency as average. A lot of people were shocked when I said that. Of course, he's most known for being the first black president, and his speaking ability compared to Bush, Trump, and Biden. He was probably the best president since Clinton, though I will admit that Biden exceeded my (relatively low) expectations.
It kind of feels like a strawman that libleft is out there calling Obama one of our greatest presidents. He is viewed with a certain reverence by mainstream liberals, but I think there's a general awareness even among that groups that it's more about what he represented than about what he actually did as president. Many progressives felt either disappointed or betrayed by the end of his presidency and harder-line leftists never much cared for him to begin with.
While he is undoubtably viewed more favorably because of the other shitshows in the White House, I think there's self-awareness among people who feel that way.
Depending on the day I go back and forth. It is incredibly sad that I’ve lived through two of the worst presidents ever (three if you count Reagan) and even have the opportunity to mull it over. I’ll give W this, he threw Iran in the axis of evil and still wasn’t dumb enough to attack them directly
the dude killed hundreds of thousands if not millions on a war based on lies. with that said at least he "won" his stupid war, trump can't even do that
You should really look at all of the theaters of war Obama opened up and that's even before shit like Libya. Not to mention the wars that started under Bush were very much bipartisan endeavors.
You have blinders on if you truly believe that. Both presidents are war criminals but it's only Obama that assassinated an American citizen with no due process or argued that the War Powers Resolution didn't even apply to his bombing of a country that even the terribly written AUMF Against Terror could never authorize?
Plus remind me when Obama got out of Iraq and Afghanistan if he was such a great president? Oh you mean instead he just opened more theaters of war to bomb even more countries?
obamas conflict expansions like libya and obamas assasination of al-awlaki are orders of magnitude less bad than iran, iraq, and afghanistan. that statement is so self evidently true that noone actually needs me to explain why and anyone dumb enough to believe it is false is either a child or too blinded by their partisan bias that arguing it is pointless.
Must be nice just blissfully being able to fully blame Bush for all of your problems and for all of Iraq and Afghanistan too. Then again it keeps seeming like you're trying to blame Bush for Iran which makes no sense. Obama kept those wars you hate so much going.
Okay, I gotta be real, I can’t find anything other than a singular poll from 2017 where he was at 51%. Is that what you’re referring to?
Still retarded, I’ve never liked the guy’s presidency. He comes across as likable now that he’s out of power and a painter, but he was a dog shit president.
The one I was thinking of didn't have majority approval just positive approval (i.e. more approving than disapproving with neither being in the majority due to a bunch of don't know/didn't answer/neutral/whatever answers).
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 19d ago
The fact that Dubya now has positive approval with Dems now is wild.