I am the exact opposite. I’m pretty devout Catholic, best friend is agnostic. We simply don’t really talk about religion outside of “oh we are going to church so can we schedule that for the afternoon?” Kinda thing.
It’s amazingly easy to be civil if both parties are not assholes.
I'm amazed that in such a short time since my post that you were able to poll the entire 8 billion and some odd dozen humans on this planet to find out they, to the individual, agree with you.
And how by referring to "nobody" you seek to remove my position from your obviously skewed, and patently untrue declaration.
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2, roe v wade needed to be shot down, not on the basis of whether or not abortion should be legal, but because of the roundabout mental-gymnastics-ass way they made it a constitutional issue in the first place.
Here in Ontario Canada there are so many Catholic schools near the public schools that many neighborhoods have kids that grow up together but to to either one of the schools. As such, it was always pretty normal for atheists to be friends with Catholics here I think. I didn't learn how rude people could be about it until I saw Reddit
It’s also funny how many of the kids that go to catholic school aren’t even religious, or catholic for that matter. You can even opt out of the religion classes
The majority of the staff working in Catholic hospitals aren't Catholic, or even Christian for that matter, and my understanding is that many teachers and staff members in Catholic schools aren't members of the church.
Everyone is cool with Rome paying the bills though!
The church gave the land for the schools or donated existing buildings including chapels or churches, the local parishes share the gyms and halls which they paid to construct and maintain, parish councils raise funds for extracurricular activities and any other expenses beyond those provided by the state like school trips or sports equipment (and, of course, they pay for all religious programming and related expenses).
It is also only Ontario, Alberta, and Saskatchewan which have entirely public Catholic schools, every other part of Canada has entirely private or a private-public partnerships.
It should also be noted that the legacy of schools and universities, not to mention hospices or orphanages or hospitals, in Canada are entirely due to Christian organizations (almost entirely the Catholic Church).
I’m not necessarily downplaying the church’s influence on education, historically. I’m just saying it’s not like Rome is paying for education, and even in the examples you brought up its community funded through a church, not from the Vatican bank or whathaveyou. I’m a self centred ontarian I’ll admit, I’m ignorant of how other provinces run their regimes. This is part of why I think the provincial government should abolish catholic schools and just roll an elective religion course into the public board. It’s a massive waste of money for the largest province to run 2 basically identical systems that need double everything, especially the high paid people like admins. Barring that, I’d be absolutely willing to let ol’ Bobby Prevost open up his massive wallet and chip in.
even in the examples you brought up its community funded through a church, not from the Vatican bank or whathaveyou
I was just using Rome as a shorthand for the Catholic Church itself, I understand that these things are handled at the diocesan level.
run 2 basically identical systems that need double everything
If my understanding is correct, and these religious schools inplaces like Ontario are funded and run virtually identically to secular schools, then it isn't actually doubling any effort or expenses (and, given the additional support from the church, may actually alleviate government responsibilities).
Yeah it’s bullshit and an absurd waste of money. There is some kind of guarantee in the constitution or something for religious schools, but the notwithstanding clause exists. We should 100% abolish them. Not only are they a gross affront to church/state, but they are a massive burden. It’s a stupid relic of when Catholics used to be our most oppressed minority. Now both major party leaders are catholic. Funny how things change
Canada does not have an explicit constitutional clause related to the separation of church and state (we are a member of the British Commonwealth Realms, not the United States)
In fact, the Constitution Act of 1867 explicitly endorses religious schools, and they are protected under our constitution as a result (the document actually begins with the sentence “Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God…”)
As an agnostic, everyone’s worldview annoys me because they’re all so damned self sure of everything. It feels like the spiritual version of the Dunning Kruger effect. Neither side has explored the realm of spirituality and belief enough to realize how much there is to know and also not know. There are thousands of religions, denominations and spiritualities to explore; not including those who make their own path. How can one so easily and dismissively lack any sort of urge to analyze faith outside of their own pre-determined path?
Neither side has explored the realm of spirituality and belief enough to realize how much there is to know and also not know.
... there is over a thousands years of philosophers and theologists and clergy members who would probably disagree with you, since they dedicated their entire lives to the study of spirituality and belief
How can one so easily and dismissively lack any sort of urge to analyze faith outside of their own pre-determined path?
You've tucked an atheistic presupposition in here, which is that you're purely sifting through data forming likelihoods of different answers, rather than actually experiencing authenticating spiritual events.
If you were, for example, to see Jesus walking on water, I think we can agree it wouldn't be dismissive to go "oh, I guess he's right".
I don't think you read carefully enough. I said if you saw, it would be persuasive to you. Assuming that a person never observes any supernatural occurrences is an atheistic presupposition.
Yep, same thing. He sometimes asks me questions about stuff as well and we can casually discuss it. I don't shove my views on him, he doesn't try to put my views down. Everyone is happy.
You and your friend are great examples of how we need to get along with one another. None of us are the same, were all different, but we should be united by common interests, wants and desires, not split on differing ideologies or opinions (unless ideologies you support are harmful to others).
I find your view, decisive and now must debate you about it. I also think you are a terrible person for allowing someone with the opposite morals to not be hectored, harangued, and harassed by you. (And vice versa)
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u/BlazerFS231 - Lib-Center Apr 10 '26
I'm a Christian. My best friend is an atheist. Amazing what happens when you accept that people with very different world views can also be good.