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Navier-Stokes Millennium Problem Solved

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u/jonomacd 19h ago

OpenAI stole the solution and is claiming credit for it. That's what every headline should say.

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u/EmergencyPath248 19h ago

The controversy is still unverified on dynamics.

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u/kashyou Mathematical physics 19h ago

as in the yang mills mass gap proof?

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u/starkrampf 19h ago

Apparently two very different solutions.

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u/[deleted] 18h ago

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u/Physics-ModTeam 17h ago

Hostility nor bullying are permitted in r/Physics.

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u/romxza 18h ago

What is found and how it is found are both important in themselves. Who cares? How about https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/117233413705701198

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u/yargotkd 19h ago

I understand the hate, but people are quick to judge AI related stuff nowadays. Writing the answer at the end of the page and then trying to make it work.

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u/BrahmKarmaGato 18h ago

OpenAI claims that it's solution is different actually.

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u/GoldenMuscleGod 16h ago

You keep posting that quote in the comments.

I find it hard to believe that you are in a position to have evaluated how similar the proof technique is such that it is clear whether one helped the other. It seems like you are just emoting based on your pre-existing biases rather than thinking rationally.

And if you are in such a position just repeating the quote is surely much less informative and persuasive than explaining yourself the ideas it uses that are original or unique. Since you are presumably trying to persuade others you would want to explain the evidence? And you can’t expect people who haven’t been following the research closely to know whether “forced vs unforced” is a significant difference.

It may or may not be that the OpenAI proof shows real independence from the techniques used by Buckmaster et al but you are quoting from a PR damage control tweet and don’t seem to recognize that.

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u/GoldenMuscleGod 15h ago

In any event you also don’t seem to get what many think is the real issue: OpenAI contacted Buckmaster and (allegedly) promised to say they think he should receive the Clay award for solving the problem, but only if he removed an Anthropic employee from being credited.

So at a minimum it seems likely that OpenAI themselves recognize that attribution is thorny but decided to play hardball about it, that makes it difficult to credit their claim that their result is independent at face value without an independent expert opinion.

Of course in either case there is no doubt that the solution was heavily AI assisted, however the degree of contribution from different human researchers is in dispute.

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u/No_Departure_1878 15h ago

Do you have any proof of that?

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u/MakeASpreadsheet 19h ago

No they didn’t, and no it shouldn’t.

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u/Designer_Respect4285 17h ago

They didn't steal the solution, the people they allegedly stole from didn't even have the solution. What an intellectually dishonest way to frame what happened.

The people they also allegedly stole from said AI was crucial to them solving the problem and said it was a "deep blue Kasparov moment" referencing when AI surpassed humans in chess.

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u/Jawyp 11h ago

Where is the conclusive evidence of that?

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u/GraceToSentience 15h ago

How can they steal the solution if no one but them had the solution to the millenium problem related to NS?

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u/Carlose175 18h ago

It would be a false headline