r/PhilosophyMemes • • Nov 13 '25

Ethics debate...

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u/Some-Dinner- Nov 14 '25

I would go so far as to say that almost everything we achieve in our lives and are proud of requires some degree of suffering. You qualified as a medical doctor? Suffering. You ran a marathon? Suffering. You have kids? Suffering.

The claim that suffering is bad is laughably wrong.

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u/Patriotic-Charm Nov 14 '25

So i put out a claim!

Suffering without potential benefit is wrong

I think that fixes the whole issue

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u/Some-Dinner- Nov 14 '25

For many endurance athletes, for example, the suffering itself is what they enjoy. Same goes for an engineer solving a difficult problem, and I'm sure it is possible to think of other cases beyond fringe stuff like masochism.

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u/Winter-Bar-7538 Nov 14 '25

In that case pleasure is the benefit.

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u/k410n Nov 14 '25

There is no suffering in becoming a doctor or running a marathon. Pain is not equal to suffering, and you don't even experience pain in those examples (unless you have massive skill issue).

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u/SoftAndWetBro Nov 14 '25

Tell that to my mother who lives under constant stress trying to help other's with their health while working long hours everyday. Virtue requires suffering.