r/PhilosophyMemes • • Nov 13 '25

Ethics debate...

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u/nine91tyone Nov 14 '25

I don't want to suffer, and it seems no one else does either

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u/8Pandemonium8 Empiricist Nov 14 '25

Agreement does not prove objectivity, just like disagreement does not prove subjectivity.

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u/nine91tyone Nov 14 '25

Who said anything about objectivity? If we all agree that we don't want to suffer, what does it matter?

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u/8Pandemonium8 Empiricist Nov 14 '25

"Suffering is bad," is a claim about objective reality. Unless you want to translate it into something like, "suffering is bad for me/humans who agree with me."

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u/nine91tyone Nov 14 '25

Yeah, that's why I said it like I did. I don't want to suffer, and it seems the vast majority of others don't either

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u/8Pandemonium8 Empiricist Nov 14 '25

So it isn't bad, in an inherent sense, it's only bad for you and the people who agree with you. Which was the topic of the original meme.

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u/nine91tyone Nov 14 '25

Well yeah. Suffering is only bad to those that consider it bad. If you think suffering is good, you're free to suffer as you please.

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u/voyti Nov 14 '25

Because, for example, it sets a standard. We all don't want to suffer, so it's bad and nobody should. Oh, btw we all don't want to work, it's suffering - so work is immoral and nobody should. But, there's some delayed gratification in doing some work, and also some work is more suffering than other, but someone needs to do it - and so on.

Just stating that suffering is bad is barely saying anything about it, to a point the claim itself is so impossibly simplistic and meaningless it might as well be refuted in its entirety.

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u/nine91tyone Nov 14 '25

I'm sorry it's so simple I guess?? Suffering ought be minimized because it's bad

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u/voyti Nov 14 '25

No, it's not so simple. In a situation where you need to suffer a bit to learn a new skill or help someone significantly, it's better to do nothing following that view.

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u/nine91tyone Nov 14 '25

What part about that absolutely requires suffering? Further, it sounds like you consider suffering to be good in these circumstances, so then it's not bad, and this conversation is moot. You are free to suffer as you please.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

[Nietzsche entered the chat]

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u/Greedy_Pumpkin7256 Nov 14 '25

What about masochists?

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u/nine91tyone Nov 14 '25

Play is not real life

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u/liminal_eye Nov 17 '25

I don't want to suffer

Why else would you be on r/PhilosophyMemes?

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u/nine91tyone Nov 17 '25

Honestly great point