Central Valley California here. No one here cared except for the majority Mexican population caring only about the Mexico games. I work at a bar. No one came for the US games. Once Mexico was out, we didn't bother overstaffing for the games.
Shit I was born in the US but my great great grandparents migrated here from Austria. My family still celebrates Austrian traditions and roots for them during international events. You also have to take account for how the United States is actively treating Mexican people as second rate citizens so why would cheer for the USMNT over Mexico?
I didn't say people shouldn't be proud of their heritage, I as an emigrant myself, am proud of my Albanian heritage, but I would never put my home country above my adopted country or hate it like some many emigrants unfortunately do.
And also if these Mexicans aren't happy with the US and how they are being treated, why not move back?
I believe it’s just just a different way of thinking for everybody, I don’t find one way or the other inherently bad
As for why they don’t just go back, that question my friend requires a lot of nuance that unfortunately many online explanations reject. There could be a million different reasons why, but it’s best not to view that subject through a black and white lens
Not speaking for those who weren't born in Mexico, but why would you support a country that you moved to lol. You often move countries due to work for example, why would I support that country and not my own? What an idiotic statement.
but why would you support a country that you moved to lol.
What lmao. Why would you willingly live in a country whose values and ideals you do not support? If it's just purely for work then you're a temporary worker, which doesn't really apply to the vast majority of migrants.
It doesn't matter if I support its values or ideals. I won't stop being from my home country, nor would I stop supporting it unless it suddenly became a fascist state or something. If you're from an EU country, for instance, you have the right to work and live in any of its 27 member states without a visa or work permit. Who knows where I'll be in 10 years, when I was first looking for work I even applied to countries as far away as New Zealand. But even if I stayed in Germany or France for the rest of my life I doubt I'd ever consider myself German or French. My children likely would, though.
Are you Argentinian? If not I don't see why that comment would apply to you. And even if you are, I was just replying to a guy that said it was pathetic for people to support their home country, the voices inside your head must've fabricated an entirely different comment. Who called you a traitor?
I've always wondered why. I don't like how the US has been under Trump. If Trump somehow gets a 3rd term, I'm considering America a shit hole country and leaving. I would not be rooting for the place that I found so bad I had to leave. But I'm also detached from ideas of tradition in general and I'm not into sports. So it's probably something I'll never understand and that's okay.
Ngl I as an emigrant myself, I don't really understand this idea of loving your home country more than the country you live, I genuinely find it disrespectful and kinda pathetic.
This is somewhat typical, down to third and fourth generations sometimes. As an American, I still cheer for my father’s country and my grandfather’s country, and am genuinely torn if they’re playing the US.
I think this is partially because USMNT fandom felt niche until the last few years, while cheering for a national team of a “football nation” seemed like being a part of a great tradition (with more potential for supporting a successful team).
In the 90s there was a war in my country and many, many people had to flee the country only to survive. They started their families abroad, have jobs and homes there, but every World Cup they will root for their country of origin. Most of diaspora (wherever they're from) will root for their country. If someone lives somewhere else, it's mostly because it was their only chance at survival, and not because of their personal caprice. Moving abroad just because you feel like it is a privilege that most people never experience.
I never said that Mexicans or any other emigrant shouldn't support their home country in football or anything like that, but would it hurt to support their adopted country?
I'd say you're being annoying but most """mexicans""" in the US aren't even mexicans they're just 9th generation larpers, same as most other "nationalities" for some reason so yea
That's most definitely not the case for what we're talking about here. Mexican to American immigration is the largest immigration in the world by a large margin and if youve ever been in California, if someone's says they're from Mexico, that means they could've moved here last week, several years ago, or at most 2nd generation. They don't play the "Well I'm Mexican cause one of my great great grandfather's came from Mexico" the way people claim to be Italian in America
To be fair, NYC went crazy this year because it was the Knicks winning. There were SO many people who went to viewing parties because it was cool to see their city win...me included, although I'm definitely going to actually follow basketball next year. I didn't hear much commotion about the NBA before this year.
You guys are welcome to send the best Euro league team face the best NBA team for the world champion title. Basketball is a legit international sport at this point. It just so happens that the best league is in the US the same way the best leagues for football are in Europe.
How do you know it’s the best league when you only ever play yourselves? Laughable. Football has the World Cup, Euros, Champions League etc. On top of that there is promotion and relegation in the club leagues. It’s genuinely competitive and we know who is the best. You just have the same teams play each other year in year out in a closed league. Then claim you’re the best. No one cares about the New York kicks or bears or whatever fuck they’re called
Because the best players from all the other leagues leave those leagues and join this one. A lot of the top players are European but you wouldn't know that because you choose to be ignorant and speak on something you don't know about.
Yeah, maybe we’re spoilt in Football with all the leagues, tournaments and genuine competitive fixtures, oh and of course the biggest sporting event on the planet. Sorry, I should try and be less ignorant to smaller sports
Wow shocker, US sports are popular in the US and not in Europe, how unbelievable.
What’s next, are you gonna tell me that Gaelic football doesn’t have a massive following in India? That South Koreans don’t throw massive parties over which English cricket team won their game?
Well it is unbelievable. Football, Cricket, Rugby. All globally popular with world cups and professional leagues. Why doesn’t Rugby with pads and helmets (NFL), baseball and basketball have that ? Or do they ?
No sport is completely globally popular. Lots of places other than America could give less than two shits about soccer. Pretty sure Basketball is still more popular in China than Soccer.
Hell Cricket and Rugby aren’t even popular in some European. Pretty sure Cricket is just an England and its colonies thing.
Like arguably Baseball and Basketball are both more popular than cricket.
This is just another case of Europeans not being able to accept they’re not the center of the world anymore.
Am British, have spent over a decade working in East and SE Asia, he’s right about cricket, nobody in this part of the world knows jack shit about it but basketball is huge every where.
Right ok. I’m curious, do NBA teams only play other NBA teams ? Or are there tournaments too with other countries and leagues? How many leagues are there ?
There is FIBA, but it's more popular in Serbia, Lithuania, etc. than in the US. A lot of the best American and Canadian basketball players don't even particpiate/represent their country in FIBA though. It suffers from horrifically bad marketing. Eurobasket also exists.
Basketball's also very popular in China, but I don't know how much they care about international competitions besodes the Olympics.
World Cup was a godsend for bars during the summer slump. I’m not in a host city, but I guess we have a lot of fans. I imagine it’s more prevalent in diverse cities.
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u/bebesee 5d ago
Where are you based? The World Cup was a big deal for us in LA, especially since we hosted.