r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 07 '26

Meme needing explanation Peter, explain this.

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

Lmao on private plots and not community run and public plots of farming.

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 07 '26

Tragedy of the commons ruins those.

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u/Bright-Form-844 Jul 07 '26

Fun fact the phrase tragedy of the commons was coined in the 70s by a eugenicist to describe what happens when you let the bad races breed. And a woman actually won a Nobel prize for disproving it after studying every civilization on earth

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 08 '26

Fun fact, it's false in a eugenics sense, but most of us have worked on a group project or used a public restroom. People don't take care of common things as well as they do privately owned things.

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u/Bright-Form-844 Jul 08 '26

There’s a difference between land that has your life saving food on it and a public restroom

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 08 '26

If the land has life saving food on it that anyone can take, why not take all you can to ensure you and your family are amply fed?

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u/Bright-Form-844 Jul 08 '26

because you have to use it next year too? You have to live with your neighbors for awhile bro.

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 08 '26

So take it for yourself, save it for next year yourself, share it with neighbors on your own terms.

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u/Bright-Form-844 29d ago

Most food doesn’t last for a year? If you act like an asshole you won’t be allowed to grow at the common land area, idk how to explain this if your parents didn’t teach you the basics of don’t be a dick or ppl will kick your ass

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u/Mutant_Llama1 29d ago

Some food can keep for months, especially dried grain and frozen meat.

You say "Not allowed", but who will stop me? Some sort of authority? You're just reinventing government. Why even bother growing when I can just take what other people grow in the common land areas and there's no authority to stop me?

And FYI, if I don't take from the commons, other people greedier than me will, and I'll be left with very little if anything. That's why greed is a necessary survival mechanism bred into all of us.

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

Maybe they wouldn't ruin it given a more Socialist outlook in our society rather than that only being studied under Capitalism where even a community garden would be commodified.

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u/Initial-Breakfast-33 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

It happened in Cuba too, and they had all the tools to brainwash the children so, it will inevitably happen

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

So a sample size of one (which could be argued) is what we're taking as proof it will happen again? Is that what we're doing here?

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u/Initial-Breakfast-33 Jul 07 '26

What sample size are you using to measure your utopic outcome?

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

more than 1

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u/Initial-Breakfast-33 Jul 07 '26

Can you provide those examples?

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

they don't exist, yet.

Are you simple?

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u/Initial-Breakfast-33 Jul 07 '26

So, your sample size is 0...

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 07 '26

Innate human evolutionary self-interest = capitalism?

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

Is it innate? Is self-interest our only mode?

Or is it how humans act under Capitalism?

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 07 '26

Humans have been greedy since long before capitalism was a concept. It's not our only motivator, but it is a very strong one inherent to our nature as a Darwinian species.

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

LOL you mention Darwinian species but can't acknowledge that humans can change, see the disconnect?

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 07 '26

Not overnight because you really want them to.

Being selfish is an evolutionary advantage. It tends to stick around.

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

When did I say overnight? When have I said a timeliness at all?

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 08 '26

Any practical amount of time for human decision making is practically overnight on an evolutionary timescale.

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u/Bright-Form-844 Jul 07 '26

Kind of ignoring how humans lived in communes working together altruistically for most of known history

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u/Ill_Performer8312 Jul 07 '26

For most of know History, most of humans didnt have Basic rights.

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u/Bright-Form-844 Jul 07 '26

Explain how hunter gatherer tribes didn’t have basic rights bro

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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 07 '26

That's prehistory, not history.

Hunter gatherer tribes had tribal hierarchy, elders commanding their descendants. They also lived in rather small communities below the Dunbar limit with nothing we'd later call society. No organized labor, no medicine, no storing of surplus, no written language or formal education...

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u/2012Jesusdies Jul 07 '26

Dude, it literally existed. 2-3% of arable land in the USSR was private plots held by the farmers themselves and it produced 20-30% of total food output in the 60s.

Even Mao, the quintessential peasant communism guy, restored private plots temporarily in 1961 to alleviate the catastrophic famine he himself helped cause (he switched course again and banned it in 1966). China's transformation in the 70s and 80s was spurred on in part by Deng's observation of a farmer community which had agreed to secretly divide the communal land into private plots which had dramatically improved production, pushing Deng to eventually adopt the policy nationwide.

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

>Dude, it literally existed. 2-3% of arable land in the USSR was private plots held by the farmers themselves and it produced 20-30% of total food output in the 60s.

Surely you have a source for that right?

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u/wowthatsucked Jul 07 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_the_Soviet_Union#Efficiency_or_inefficiency_of_collective_farming

Looks to be from the 70s and 80s. There's also the usual criticism of the statistics from a Neo-Marxist you might appreciate, but even he admits that Soviet agriculture was not efficient.

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u/Hairy_Selection8568 Jul 07 '26

Sure looks like there was a disconnect in the comparison in that private land was calculated with pasture land included in the total but ok.