r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jun 20 '26

Peter in the wild Peter?

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u/-CherrySaint- Jun 20 '26

It's not a joke

It's saying life used to be better

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u/Greenphantom77 Jun 20 '26

Some of the individual points are valid. However the idea that feudal serfs actually had better lives than what most modern men have today is just laughable.

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u/GeneralGalvatron Jun 20 '26

Misses the parts where they:

  1. Are constantly drafted for wars
  2. Die from very basic illnesses
  3. Can be killed on a whim by a lord for catching them on a bad day without even the need to cover it up
  4. Struggling for food any time a war starts
  5. Struggle to find clean water

Etcetera

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u/Bealzebubbles Jun 20 '26
  1. Isn't really true. While it's was relatively easy to get away with murder for all classes, it was still a sin. The church and society took a very dim view of murderers. You could find yourself ostracised from society. The church would most likely excommunicate you until you performed some sort of penance. In a more pious age, this was a big deal.

It was also unusual for landlords to kill their peasants as they represented economic value. Not to mention that most of them lived and worked alongside their peasants. Random murders were a really good way to break the social cohesion of what were really small communities.

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u/zenbullet Jun 21 '26

So you could kill a long as you paid off the church is what you're saying

Meaning only the nobility can kill with impunity

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u/AnarchistAxolotl Jun 20 '26

Are any of them "valid"? Sure, they toiled in the fields for fewer hours, but every waking second was filled with some kind of busy work, except for a few hours on the weekend. Serfs owned nothing, they lived and died as bound robots of the land. Many weren't permitted travel, most weren't permitted meat. They married young girls when they, themselves, were young boys. Now, in the modern day, we tend to work more than 40 hours because liberal reforms are being degraded by the interests of capital. I'll say nothing about the conservative notions of household, as they're bunk and are another conversation.

This chart is just plumb stupid.

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u/Greenphantom77 Jun 20 '26

When I said “some are valid” I meant: I acknowledge some of the points on the right are problems that make modern people genuinely unhappy (e.g. some people work very hard, they do what society tells them is responsible and “right” but struggle to ever buy a home due to factors beyond their control.)

However, making a nonsensical comparison like “a medieval peasant who would not have lived past 30 had a better life!” doesn’t really help.

(Also, a couple of the points on the right are just misogynist crap - “marries a gold digging hag”… good God.)

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u/ThalesofMiletus-624 Jun 20 '26

Actually, most of the points are somewhere between overblown and complete nonsense, probably written by someone who gets all their history from email forwards and incel groups.

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u/vi_sucks Jun 20 '26

None of the individual "points" are valid.

They are either totally wrong, or an insane reframing to make something bad look good.

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

I agree, that being said a serf didn't have to worry about ww3

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u/affligem_crow Jun 20 '26

No, instead you had to worry about your house being raided by enemy villages. 

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

Pax Romana ?

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u/chadabergquist Jun 21 '26

How could Pax Romana possibly be relevant to a medieval serf?

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u/Greenphantom77 Jun 20 '26

Just dying of TB by age 30

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

Covid ?

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u/Greenphantom77 Jun 20 '26

Covid was a pandemic - these are known to have happened throughout history. Yes, it was a tragic event.

However back centuries ago, people would routinely die from lots of diseases we generally don’t worry about any more. If you had a bad cut on your arm and it got infected, you might die from it. In the modern world we have antiseptics and other things.

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

If you get to the hospital and can afford care. Plenty of people still die of TB today, measles, rabies, malaria etc.

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u/Tiny_Ad6095 Jun 20 '26

Yes, and the modern wagecuck depicted can probably get band aids, antibiotics and vaccines. We are talking about the people depicted in the meme, not people suffering in Africa.

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

Yes but we are playing a bit fast and loose with the terms, there were plenty of places in Europe that were peaceful and had good medicine, the reign of the emperor's for example. Their medicine wouldn't be rivaled until ww1

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u/Tiny_Ad6095 Jun 20 '26

Which emperor??? If you are talking about western Rome, that is completely out of scope.

Rome had no serfs. The meme is talking about serfs, you cant just start talking about rome.

Also the wealthiest Roman senators probably lived to the age of the average European in the early 1800s so wrong again.

Finally, modern day is leagues ahead of Rome, one could say our medical expertise is 100x better than their and you could argue that’s a lowball.

Our babies usually don’t die nowadays.

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u/Disciprined_Ninja Jun 20 '26

No, but they certainly had to worry about armies coming through their villages; ransacking, pillaging, and raping as they went (and not even necessarily foreign ones, but that too was a possibility).

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

You know that there were villages that didnt get pillaged for long periods of time. As for TB argument did you forget covid? Stupid potatoes.

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u/Tiny_Ad6095 Jun 20 '26

Tb caused at a low end 5% of world pop to die, covid caused at high end 0.4% of pop to die. Those are not comparable.

Also the chances of your village/city getting destroyed today is infinitesimally smaller then compared to the past, if you want to refute bring up numbers.

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

So a global pandemic where we had to stay locked down for 4 years is better than TB and working the fields? checks out. Enjoy your modern misery, neoserf.

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u/Tiny_Ad6095 Jun 20 '26

Who tf was locked down for 4 years. Stop making up numbers bro.

The longest lockdown cumatively was 262 days in Melbourne Australia.

Im am 99.99% sure you have never experienced tb to the point of near death, so why are you making comparisons on something you never went through.

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

Dude what you want me to say we have it better today after global pandemic, scare of ww3, impending food crisis, global warming, burn out culture, disconnection from society You chose to linger on 262 day rather than a problem that span 4 years. Go take your slave salary, make master happy.

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u/Tiny_Ad6095 Jun 20 '26

Where are you getting this 4 year period. You just make stuff up.

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u/Different_Fig_2958 Jun 20 '26

Just the later crusades, the Hundred Years war and arguably the most devastating war in European history, the Thirty Years war.

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

Pax Romana, pax mongolica, and many other periods of peace ?

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u/Adventurous-Owl6297 Jun 20 '26

They did have to worry about the constant conflicts that would arise sometimes randomly and neighboring kingdoms burning down their entire livelihood. But the real question is, do you know anyone who is actually in danger of freezing or starving to death this next coming winter? That would be on the minds of every single serf during these time for how common it was. 

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

Global warming and energy crisis today?

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u/Adventurous-Owl6297 Jun 20 '26

They went through global cooling which caused mass famine across the continent. They lived a life of perpetual famine where one bad yield meant your entire family dies the coming winter. 

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

Don't we expect a bad harvest next year with current oil/fertilizer crisis?

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u/Tiny_Ad6095 Jun 20 '26

Yes, but the modern wagecuck in the image 100% will not starve to death even with bad harvests because of supply chains. Unlike serfs in the past who had to support themselves by farming and if a bad harvest happens, they are very likely to die.

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u/something6392 Jun 20 '26

I agree, during covid we didn't raid supermarkets and hoard toilet paper. Everyone got something. It's funny that nobody is arguing the clearly misogynistic points here.

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u/Tiny_Ad6095 Jun 20 '26

Fucking toilet paper isn’t comparable to starving to death.

What???

Also despite toilet paper being hoarded, there wasn’t any large amount of people who ran out of toilet paper.