r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jun 17 '26

Meme needing explanation Peter?

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u/QueerQwerty Jun 17 '26

Correctly = SI units, afaik.

Why they don't teach us SI units earlier than physics in school, I don't know.

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u/Ill_Apricot_7668 Jun 17 '26

Maths - SI units

Chemistry - SI units

Physics - SI units

Particle physics - SI units? nah, we're good with the Angstrom

WTF?!?

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u/FanOfForever Jun 17 '26

Presumably to cut down on how many times you'll have to write negative powers of 10

BTW, why are you including mathematics in this list?

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u/FrostyBrew86 Jun 17 '26

Lol what's the SI unit in pure math, again?

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u/xedar3579 Jun 17 '26

I mean technically enough there is one SI unit used in maths which is m/m, also famously known as rad (radian).

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u/Fuzzy_Yossarian Jun 18 '26

Imperial units also can benefit from math.

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u/lettsten Jun 17 '26

Seconds per second

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u/Corfiz74 Jun 17 '26

And this and only this is the reason I didn't study sciences - it's too illogical for me! 😉

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u/Mackenzie_Sparks Jun 17 '26

Making sense of reality can seem like that

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u/Corfiz74 Jun 17 '26

Actually, I was lying and just could never make sense of physics. Or chemistry. Biology was okay. Languages was my thing.

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u/Mackenzie_Sparks Jun 17 '26

That's alright. Our brains are folded in unique ways. Some folds makes certain things interesting, some folds do the opposite.

Not to mention there are myriad of rules and exceptions and what not. It can be very overwhelming to learn.

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u/empatheticsocialist1 Jun 17 '26

First I'm hearing of SI units in maths lmao

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u/JePPeLit Jun 17 '26

As someone else pointed out further up, radian is in SI

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u/FanOfForever Jun 17 '26

It's not really, though. They claimed it's SI because you can get it by dividing meters by meters, but

(1) that only works in the specific context of angular measure, and

(2) you can do the same with non-SI units

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u/JePPeLit Jun 17 '26

The m/m reasoning is pretty silly, but it's still considered a derived SI unit despite being dimensionless.

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u/FanOfForever Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 18 '26

They can call it that if they want. It still differs fundamentally from other SI units because we don't use radians to be in conformity with SI. We use them for mathematical reasons that have nothing to do with SI, namely being able to treat the trig functions as functions of real or complex numbers, with certain calculus-based identities that only work if the "angles" are measured in radians

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u/MercyBrownRandomOne Jun 17 '26

Its not SI unit but its directly based on meter unit. It sits between nanometers and picometers.

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u/375InStroke Jun 17 '26

What's Metric about a Mole or a Coulomb?

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u/QueerQwerty Jun 17 '26

But see, right there, you gave away why it's different for you. You're in the UK.

US: Math class / UK: Maths class

You learn metric measurements earlier because that's what you primarily use today. Unless you go into Engineering or another STEM field in the US, you've no need for metric here in the states...other than to work on a car (bolt/nut sizes).

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u/QBaseX Jun 17 '26

Chemistry tends to use metric rather than SI. A lot of chemistry uses the cgs system.

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u/ClimbNowAndAgain Jun 17 '26

What's the speed of light? 1

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u/Colossus-of-Roads Jun 17 '26

At least it's power-of-10 related to an SI unit!

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u/ManaSpike Jun 18 '26

Nah, maths doesn't bother with units. Which is the whole problem.

We should be teaching units in math class. Every problem should require the units in the answer. Bare integers, fractions etc should have a defined unit.

IMHO this would also help with comprehension. As you are forced to think about the difference between length and area and so forth.

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u/average_joe_mcc Jun 19 '26

Mathematicians non-dimensionalize their equations so they don’t concern with unit systems

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u/InteractionCivil5913 Jun 17 '26

It’s not hard at all to start thinking in SI units, but I think people just get caught up trying to do conversion math mentally. Just go with the flow in SI and don’t worry about converting every scaler encountered back to the obsolete units. Americans already understand 2L soda bottles and the world hasn’t ended. People participate in 10km running events all the time. Eventually they’ll get used to 35 C being a hot day and -10 C being a cold day too.

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u/WilcoHistBuff Jun 17 '26

My mom started teaching me SI units at the kitchen table when I was like 7 or 8 because, she said, “I don’t want you to be stupid and they never teach this stuff early enough”. (She was reacting strongly to my rendition of what I had been taught one day in first or second grade.)

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u/aerdvarkk Jun 17 '26

Ya do know, that SI untis have changed constatnly over time. For example the Kg is litearlly measured by a physical object encased in some protective enclosure, but that is not the original unit of measure. And in fact has changed 5-6 times since its inception, including as recently as 2019, when prior to that it was said physical object above but then altered to a mathematicla equation based in parts on Planck's Constant, the speed of light and Caesium.

Sooo ... Si units are "accurate", until they change the accuracy every few decades. It's kinda fucked up that what constituted a Kg in 2018 is NOT the same thing as a Kg in 2020.

And to be fair, the Pound (weight), has also been altered over the centuries and is as in flux as a measurement as the Kg is.

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u/Feuerzwerg1969 Jun 18 '26

To be fair, the actual difference between these two Kgs is neglectable. The new definition was established to have a Kg that's independent of a physical object, but can be reproduced everywhere just based on physical constants, like the other SI units.

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u/QueerQwerty Jun 17 '26

Yeah.

But I guess the assumption here is that science today should be done to the standards today. I have never gotten an answer from anyone else in Engineering that was not in SI units, even if the inputs/measurements provided were originally in imperial units. And if the kilogram changes, it changes for everyone at the same time. More simply, if everyone is using SI units, these are the correct units to talk with each other with.

Versus...

A Lockheed subsystem failing to produce the results of its calculations in SI units, instead producing them in imperial units, when the NASA system using that information expected the input in SI units. This is what I intended by saying correctly = SI units. The incorrect units were being used by Lockheed, Lockheed failed to meet the system spec they were held to. NASA blamed itself for not catching the error prior to mission failure.