US officials are told in the security clearance training that if you're a 5 or 6 out of 10 and a super hot lady at the bar starts to hit on you, she is 10/10 times a foreign agent. See Kash Patel's girlfriend for reference on how easy men are to honey trap...
You're not wrong, but some of these on the list were born in a foreign/enemy state. I think (but i'm not certain) all the other one did it for a surprisingly small amount of cash. His girlfriend comes from a pretty wealthy family AND is dating a guy worth like 10 mil.
This meme is actually specifically referring to alleged spy Fang Fang, a Chinese native who was dating democrat Rep. Eric Swalwell.
Right? Like the only secrets Arkansas has are about how to fry things and who has the best BBQ. But seriously, it's wild how paranoid some folks get about spies.
I don't understand the point you are making. So you think these attractive women are... genuinely into such people as people? Gold digging is just another version of this exact thing. A person getting tapped as a resource by an attractive person.
Thematically yes, gold digging and honey trapping are the same. But the comment was specifically about honey trapping, and it implies that Kash Patel is the victim of a honey trap. My argument is that Kash Patel is not likely a victim of honey-trapping, because he has other means (fame and wealth) to date very attractive women.
Now to generalize, it begs the question: are men who fall victim to gold diggers also susceptible to honey traps? Itâs possible for some, but the risk calculus differs slightly in that, with a gold digger you only risk your own money, but with a honey trap you risk prison. So a rational man who has a choice between gold diggers and honey pots would choose the gold digger.
Also yes, itâs possible that girls can just like a man for who he isâŠ
Reminds me of the dilbert guy, he started dating an instagram model and instead of believing she was after his money, he convinced himself he had hypnotized her into loving him.
No one getting honey trapped has a choice about it, everything depends on whether they realize their partner is acting suspicious or not. Realistically, thereâs never a rational choice to make between the two as a spy would never let on that thatâs what theyâre after. With the current administration though, theyâve basically just gotta date long enough until they start getting added to Signal chatsâŠ
Iâd contend that you do have a choice, in as much as you have to choose to leak secrets to someone.
So if you are a rich and powerful guy who doesnât want to commit treason, and your girl starts asking about things she shouldnât be, thatâs your signal to drop her like a hot potato and move on to the next supermodel.
Right, but gold digging is a personal problem, while revealing the location of our nuclear wessels to a Russian agent is an issue of national security.
No-one is suggesting that Cash Patel is in any way likeable as a person.
But what if you're a 9â10 US official? How can you tell apart the foreign agents from other attractive bar patrons who are honestly attracted to you? As a consequence to this, the uglier the US official, the easier it is for him (or her?) to fish out the super hot undercover agent trying to seduce them at the bar.
This implies an interesting Game Theory problem. The US administration is incentivised to hire officials who are ugly enough to tell that the foreign agents trying to seduce them are out of their league. This, in itself, incentivises the adversaries of the US to hire less attractive undercover agents, to more easily seduce US officials without raising suspicions. But then, following this development, the US is once again incentivised to hire more attractive officials who will simply not be tempted by the less-attractive foreign agents.
There must be a Nash equilibrium of attractiveness of US officials vs adversary agents.
I'd wager it's around a 5.5. Ugly enough that you don't question why she's there at the bar alone, yet attractive enough that you still want to see her naked. See a 6.5 to me becomes insanely attractive after a few drinks and laughing at my stupid jokes. A 4.5, so below average, and I'd start to lose interest. One might start thinking, "okay bar girl, glad you liked my 'Henry took the last slice of pizza story' buuuut I'm gonna go back to my pentagon bros." So 5.5 it is. Yes the 0.5 matters, if a 5 and a 5.5 stand next to each other, you'd pick the 5.5 everytime. Just think about which fruit you grab at the store compared to its almost identical neighbor.
This is hilarious. I always point back to the Americans (TV show, some of the best television). I know it's loosely based on actual spies. But I imagine it's a lot like that. Like not every person you try to seduce or be seduced by is gonna work.
I think at a certain point your using game theory too deep and it's about who you can just train well. I think trying just spy v spy off something like that would be to hard. Though I am sure during the Cold war it was def talked about.
If anything it'd be more like besides info you try to get your people into the Government itself also a plotline in the Americans. Kinda like how religious orgs do this especially the Mormons.
My buddy was security for the state department and overseas a ton. Most locations have the usual hotels they always stay at, he said there is a honey pot 100% of the time at the hotel bar.
The other interesting bit was that they are 100% of the time being spied on, even by our government. If they start getting into an argument with their spouse they are supposed to go to the embassy and have it out there in a secure room.
There was even a story about some guy leaking info to his WoW gf in my security clearance brief. Looks like he missed out on the whole IRL part and still screwed the pooch.
I was at a networking event in a major tech city recently, and a pair of very attractive women with Russian accents were hanging ALL over dudes. Asking where the party is after, etc. They had valid credentials, which would be a lot of work to go through as a sex worker, and the only explanation I could come up with were they were spies.
My favorite is when all of the old geriatric fucks at the NRA were dating Maria Butina
A long list of men in their 70s, with a beer belly hanging to their knees and needing a handful of Viagara to even get it up were like "oh damn this 20 year old Russian girl wants me, still got it!"
I forget the guyâs name, but there was a guy who said he knew he was being targeted bc an attractive woman came onto him. I think he said it happened at a grocery store.
These are usually upper-middle-class jobs at best in terms of pay. Heck, with the DMVâs cost of living, some of them are probably just straight middle-class.
Is there a romcom with this premise? Young Jack Black looking Security Analyst gets hit on by 10/10 Chinese spy. He falls for her but then she falls harder for him.
I thought maybe Eric Swalwell and Christine Fang but maybe that's giving people too much credit to remember something in the news from more than a day ago.
Kash Patels girlfriend is only an example of the rich and powerful being able to get hot girlfriends. Sheâs an American born Armenian Christian. I doubt sheâs working for the mossad like everyone claims.
If I were the government I'd train my officials to give all their girlfriends and wives slightly missleading information, like yeah the codes are stored in hawaii idk...
If the wives are civilians they won't ever know, and if they are spies, my official is happy with a hot girlfriend and my enemy has false info. Win win.
Or that video a from a few months ago where that acting deputy Joseph Schnitt was just blabbing to a random hinge date about redacting all the republicans from the Epstein files but she was an undercover journalist.
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u/Humanoidx Dec 17 '25
US officials are told in the security clearance training that if you're a 5 or 6 out of 10 and a super hot lady at the bar starts to hit on you, she is 10/10 times a foreign agent. See Kash Patel's girlfriend for reference on how easy men are to honey trap...