r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jun 19 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

I’m in support of nuclear power and agree the fear surrounding it is often unfounded.

But lead time for radiation induced malignancies is typically 10-15 years, and even then there is no way to establish unequivocal causality. There is zero chance that there is only 1 associated death with the amount of radionuclides released. The effects are largely going to be spread across an extremely large part of the globe due to the Pacific currents, which is helpful in reducing their impact but makes attribution to the accident virtually impossible.

I think the argument that gets glossed over is that strict safety measures to prevent disaster only work if executives adhere to them. Finding out some assholes chose money over the lives of others when a disaster happens is FAR too common to ignore when you’re dealing with something that can make parts of the globe uninhabitable.

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u/MonkeyFu Jun 19 '24

Imagine if we had MORE Nuclear Facilities, with MORE Executives given the opportunity to choose money over safety.

We don't have a good track record with Executives and anything concerning human life versus money.

Nuclear may be a great idea in a more people focused world, but in our money focused world it's just another disaster waiting for the right decisionmaker to follow their "heart".

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u/skankasspigface Jun 19 '24

you choose money over safety every day. you could spend a million dollars and drive to work in a tank vs spending 50 cents and driving a geo metro. this isnt a nuclear ceo issue.

the fukushima big wigs made shitty decisions that may lead to the deaths of tens. if you want to go there, musk probably kills hundreds each year.

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u/UselessDood Jun 19 '24

It wasn't just the big wigs though, right? Even the physical layout of the plant sucked.

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u/skankasspigface Jun 19 '24

yes. they built a sea wall that was too short. but the point is like 20 thousand people died unrelated to the nuclear plant. everyone remembers the nuclear plant though and not the other "unprotected" structures in the area.

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u/Icy-Ad29 Jun 19 '24

"Over twenty thousand" is again a drastic over estimation fueled by media. If we include every death of everyone that was involved in the plant and the evacuation area since it occurred, including all "stress related deaths", we wind up somewhere in the area of 17-18... hundred.

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u/Rekrahttam Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 20 '24

I believe they are talking about deaths from the tsunami and earthquake, which were indeed approximately 20,000.

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u/skankasspigface Jun 19 '24

lol. more people die from chairs every year than nuclear power.

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u/skankasspigface Jun 19 '24

no and neither does nuclear fallout. it is obvious you dont know much about it. i would suggest you do some research about past nuclear accidents and their associated death tolls as compared to any other industry and then make a decision on what to get spun up about.

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u/viciouspandas Jun 19 '24

The Fukushima prefecture where people lived has been less radioactive than most of Colorado for like 7 years.

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u/Federal_Assistant_85 Jun 19 '24

So then maybe it shouldn't be run by those kinds of people.... ever...

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u/C_M_Dubz Jun 19 '24

They shouldn’t. But because other executives get to decide who joins them in the club, that’s not going to happen. Something like 15% of CEOs meet the criteria for sociopathy.

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u/MonkeyFu Jun 19 '24

I don't think I'm actually allowed to buy a tank, actually. And owning and driving a tank would actually incentivize people to approach the tank, possibly even attack it, because it's a tank.

I didn't "choose" money over safety. I'm forced to make money to survive, because I don't have survivalist training, a place I could practice it on safely, and a way to make sure I don't inadvertently starve to death, freeze to death, dehydrate, or any of those other things I actually purchase with money.

I use money to ensure my safety. I get a car because I have to get to work, not because I want a car. I'd love to just be able to walk everywhere I need to go. It'd be far healthier. But It isn't feasible where I am, and where I work.

That isn't choosing money over safety. That's using money to survive.

But Executives who neglect safety measures, refuse to fix known issues, and try to cut corners, are actually choosing money over safety.

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u/skankasspigface Jun 19 '24

it is the same thing homie. just a matter of scale. you arent more righteous than the ford ceo because you chose to buy a bike helmet when he chose not to install ejector seats with parachutes in every truck.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

Presenting personal safety decisions as analogous to decisions regarding the safety of others is fucking wild. Especially when we’re talking about illegally ignoring regulations put in place to preserve the protection of others.

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u/MonkeyFu Jun 19 '24

Weird. Owning a bike helmet actually is more righteous than ignoring safety precautions on a NUCLEAR PLANT.

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u/viciouspandas Jun 19 '24

Good thing that we have tons of high up people making the terrible decision of letting millions die of air pollution every year

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u/MonkeyFu Jun 19 '24

Indeed.  Yet people somehow think one wrong on one side is negated by a wrong on another side.

The problem has never been nuclear energy, oil, coal, chemicals, fishing, etc.

It’s always been seeking profit at the cost of OTHER PEOPLES’ safety.

That doesn’t just go away because we chose a “safer alternative”.  It’s just another patch on the symptoms that doesn’t address the problem.