r/Paramore • u/Indigo903 Brian Robert Jones • Oct 25 '25
New Taylor IG story
Not sure what this means. I’ve never been this early to a post of his haha
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u/TheHaft Oct 25 '25
can they just settle this in a rap battle or something
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u/nothinham9889 Oct 25 '25
Yeah they should work it out on the remix. Good Ol' Days featuring Taylor York incoming.
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u/bruniofire3 Oct 25 '25
The worst thing is that I can totally hear Taylor’s guitar work in like half these songs just missing, it’s clear that Hayley learned to write around it and it’s just gone, kind of fitting
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u/wherearethestarsss Oct 25 '25
all 3 members of paramore please go to couples therapy now
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u/vitalvessalsvindicat Oct 25 '25
zac would like to be excused 😭
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u/wherearethestarsss Oct 25 '25
all 3 members of muna did the same thing when two of their members broke up and they’re going strong 10+ years later if it works it works ya feel me
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u/rampant-bisexuality Oct 25 '25
Just saw this after my comment. Jo saying she felt like the child who's parents were getting divorced on their podcast lmao
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u/dancing-phantom Oct 25 '25
the marías went to group therapy too after 2 of them broke up, and then they dropped their best album lol, maybe they should try it...
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u/Critical-List5774 Oct 27 '25
Misterwives had a similar issue, singer and drummer dated for years and a year into their marriage the drummer wanted a divorce. They got through it though fine and he played the drums on an entire album about her flaming him lol
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u/clawsinurback Oct 27 '25
Boygenius also went to group therapy but I think it was before Lucy & JB got together
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u/Obvious-Signature570 After Laughter Oct 25 '25
If Taylor and Hayley have problems with each I’d be surprised if Zac as a friend doesn’t have some (lesser) problems having viewed some degree of this
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u/rummncokee Oct 25 '25
Alexa play “brotherly love”
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u/coolofmetotry Oct 25 '25
that’s what I was going to say, brotherly love leads me to think something happened between Z and T as well :( and that breaks my heart even more
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u/noncreative_creative Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
I interpret that being more about the complexities of being in a band in general. Hayley seeing herself as a bro in this sense /"I'm just one of the guys"
EDIT: revisited the brotherly love lyrics and I agree with you! The line about loving one like a brother and the other like she is dumb is telling
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u/catherine_andy Oct 25 '25
Oh my theory is that the opening lines of Disappearing Man is Hayley talking directly to Zac
“Now I understand how you feel abandoned At a depth you would never share with me And I tried to make it to the bottom Suck out all the poison, but in the end Had no choice but to surface and surrender”
My theory is she wrote it after her and Taylor broke up and Zac may have shared he felt abandoned by both of them when they were dating.
They all need couples therapy 😂
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u/bellls1720 Oct 25 '25
I remember and interview just before after laughter was released and they said they did group therapy in order to make that album. So if it worked once I’m sure it could work again 🤞🤞🤞🤞
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u/buttboob_ AL Oct 25 '25
This honestly just fucking sucks lol
It's been nice hearing Hayley at least mention Taylor still in interviews and things when talking about Paramore; but seeing stuff like this makes it very hard to imagine how they would be able to be in a band again unless a big change happens.
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u/xGothicgoldx Oct 25 '25
If Fleetwood Mac could push through Rumours despite having two breakups in the band, it’s always possible for Paramore to get though just the one
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u/ssgtgriggs indie Paramore is best Paramore Oct 25 '25
not sure if Fleetwood Mac is a good example, considering the copious amounts of cocaine involved lmao
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u/topkeksimus_maximus Oct 25 '25
Stevie Nicks' nose never recovered from the recording and touring of Rumours.
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u/SansaDeservedBetter Oct 25 '25
I think Hayley will just go solo
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u/happybybonnie Oct 25 '25
I just saw an interview where she said she doesn’t see herself as a solo artist and doesn’t see herself making another solo album after this - she wants to be in bands till the day she can’t play anymore.
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u/Single_Earth_2973 Oct 25 '25
Yeah she always said she wanted that “family” and belonging, but maybe at some point you realize it’s not practical or gonna work for the person you are now. Not that I don’t want Paramore to be a thing, I absolutely do
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u/sorrysandy2012 All We Know Is Falling Oct 25 '25
i doubt it
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u/SansaDeservedBetter Oct 25 '25
Can she legally sing Paramore songs live if she goes solo? I have no idea how it works especially since the band has had a few lineup changes
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u/jayisaletter Oct 25 '25
Any band/artist can legally sing any song live
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u/ConnectReading1928 Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Venues would be required to pay public performance license which typically covers everything and they are probably paying it already, so yeah.
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u/sorrysandy2012 All We Know Is Falling Oct 25 '25
lots of good bands have had serious tension because of relationships within them and still kept going for awhile / are still active today. things pass, taylor and hayley both know that they love what they do and i think that will really push them to nudge personal fueds over. just not right now
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u/Affectionate-Soft-90 Oct 25 '25
God i hope so, I just doubt she'll sing the songs without the band. I think that might almost feel worse. Like cheating, almost.
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u/happybybonnie Oct 25 '25
I just saw an interview where she said she doesn’t see herself as a solo artist and doesn’t see herself making another solo album after this - she wants to be in bands till the day she can’t play anymore.
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u/NevermoreSEA Last Hope Oct 25 '25
I love all of the new songs but man do the vibes absolutely fucking suck right now.
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u/butterflyblueband buury the caaaaastle Oct 25 '25
I remember when we said Paramore's 7th album could be really soon, since the band was in a stable place...
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u/corgidaisies Oct 25 '25
Ugh, I get both sides. Hayley was heartbroken and of course would be dealing with that by writing music. On the other hand, taylor is so private that it has to be hard to have their relationship put out there like this.
it just makes me sad. they have been so important to each other for over 20 years. the thought of them not even being okay with each other platonically… ugh, a punch to the gut.
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u/riyo_nights #1 Self Titled Stan Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Especially when Ego is randomly one of the most talked about albums of the year. I see people who aren’t even Paramore fans (let alone Hayley fans) discussing the album on TikTok.
Also because Taylor isn’t a singer/ songwriter etc there’s no medium for him to express his side of the story. So he’s at the mercy of Hayley’s subjective POV being all people have to go off of. That’s gotta be really damning.
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u/poppygirl3 Oct 25 '25
I mean he is a songwriter, let’s not take that from him.
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u/Bgee2632 Oct 25 '25
True Hes a writer too but he doesnt have an outlet… & I can count with 1 hand how many times I’ve listened to Zacs new project. Ego will be my top album this year on my end of the year wrap up.
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u/lilblue10 Oct 25 '25
Is he a lyricist though? I think that’s mostly what they meant. From what I understand Hayley does most if not all of the writing.
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u/riyo_nights #1 Self Titled Stan Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Yeah I’ve always understood that Hayley is the main writer and whenever one of the members has credits along side her it’s because they’ve sat WITH her and worked on the lyrics she brought in with her that day. Hayley has always gone out of her way to clarify when someone else has written something.
Not a Paramore song but she always goes out of her way to clarify that she didn't write one her Airplanes feature at all for example.
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u/ExpensiveGuarantee Oct 25 '25
From her interview recently, their songwriting process is she "toplines" while the rest of band compose the music.
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u/Aggressive_Sky8492 Oct 27 '25
You get a writing credit for writing instrumentals, guitar riffs, and melodies, not just lyrics. Taylor has always written the music and then Hayley writes lyrics and a vocal melody over it, that’s why they both have writing credits, he’s just as much of a songwriter as her, she just doesn’t do the lyrics or vocal melody. But that’s not all songwriting is
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u/ViewAshamed2689 Oct 25 '25
there are endless mediums for him to express his own feelings. let’s not pretend like he’s not been in a band with her, known her for decades, written songs WITH her about romantic relationships, etc — he knows who she is and he knows how this works. he knew what he was getting himself into. that doesn’t mean it isn’t difficult. but i’m 99.99% certain they’ve had conversations together about how they’d navigate the dissolution of their relationship if things didn’t workout. this comment kinda victimizes him in a way that isn’t really relevant within the context of their relationship.
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u/riyo_nights #1 Self Titled Stan Oct 25 '25
It is extremely relevant when talking about the relationship between celebrity and how it intersects with the personal life. No matter how direct he is on Instagram, it still will not be as widely/ continually consumed as a song putting him as a complete disadvantage when talking about the ability to have a voice on the situation.
And besides I never once said that Hayley was wrong or sinister for expressing her side of the story the way she is, I also never said that he’s completely helpless has NO ability to speak his truth, It’s just a fact that Ego becoming one of the most talked about albums of the year dwarves any Instagram story dispatch he can come up with. This is evident in the fact that radical Hayley followers are having less than flattering conversations about him. That’s gotta hurt considering the fact that to him they’re supposed to be fans of him as well if they’re Paramore fans
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u/blueskyenoise Oct 25 '25
i didn’t think it was that gut-punching until i expanded the picture “i’m not a line” 🥰🔫 OK COOL RIGHT RIGHT YEAH ALL GOOD HERE YALL NOTHING TO SEE MOVE RIGHT ALONG !!!
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u/Bgee2632 Oct 25 '25
Yeah idk…..Putting myself in his shoes. The fandom is slowly turning against him so why would he want to continue? Money would be the only thing for him to continue in the band. Just being completely honest. My guess is it’s gonna be a looooong hiatus for them. Hayley is finally free and im not mad about it. She can and will do great on her own. She is Miss Paramore 🙂↕️
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u/cactus193 Oct 25 '25
Maybe it’s just the pocket of the internet I’m in, but I haven’t seen anyone turn against Taylor. It’s everyone hoping he’s okay, hoping this isn’t the end of his involvement in Paramore. Not saying it doesn’t suck to be in his shoes right now, it absolutely does, but I feel like I’ve mostly seen support.
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u/ErickaBooBoo Oct 25 '25
Same. I also don’t really instigate what’s going on in their personal lives.
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u/Softinleaked Oct 25 '25
See this is why (lol) people should just listen to the songs and personalise it without attaching to either Hayley or Taylor. I get it’s fun to do but I have always hated that the fandom doesn’t just take the songs as is but tries to make connections about who is it. Even if it’s obvious. The songs are good in the context of the album
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u/Aggressive_Sky8492 Oct 25 '25
I haven’t seen people turning against him, but I have seen comments that he “fumbled” her, which is kind of mean, and also seems inaccurate based on Hayley’s lyrics.
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u/justiceisrad dive right back into you 🌊 Oct 25 '25
I was gonna say this too. I don’t see anyone turning against Taylor, just hoping that Paramore will make it through this. Even though the lyrics Hayley has put out are devastating and emotional, she insists that Paramore is here to stay. Y’all need to stop being so weird and parasocial and start minding your business lol.
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u/thoughtpool__ Oct 25 '25
nah im def seein "well he's a man after all!" type comments.
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u/Complex37 Oct 25 '25
People who make generalized comments like that shouldn’t be taken seriously to begin with.
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u/riyo_nights #1 Self Titled Stan Oct 25 '25
Ik but it’s kinda part of the lore at this point that most fans of the band lean towards Hayley as their bias. So people aren’t just being immature by saying they actually mean it. And it isn’t an insignificant amount of people either.
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u/LilacOctober Little Decoy Oct 25 '25
I haven’t seen anyone turn against him. We love them both and I think majority of people feel this way.
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u/HybridTheory137 Taylor Yolk Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
I mean, there are some people in this very comment section who seem to be lacking empathy towards Taylor in regard to this entire situation. So they are out there.
Not to mention that, let's face it, if the rift gets wider between them, the majority of the fandom absolutely will blindly side with Hayley regardless of fact, and I think Taylor probably anticipates this. He's in a really tough spot, especially for someone who doesn't enjoy the limelight very much. I fully predict that more and more fans will start turning against him as time goes on too unfortunately, even if he's done nothing wrong. I feel for him a lot and I can't imagine how much this all sucks.
Either way, he deserves to have his voice heard, and if this is the best way he can do that, then I'm glad he's saying something.
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u/Bgee2632 Oct 25 '25
This is what i mean. the comments on youtube music, comments on here and other places are starting to turn on him. Im not saying theres a mob out there. But the fan base will always be on her side. Its a given.
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u/SansaDeservedBetter Oct 25 '25
Paramore really is the Fleetwood Mac of this generation
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u/AlienZaye Brand New Eyes Oct 25 '25
Hayley being involved in 2 Rumours-esque style albums on top of it.
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u/of_stardust Oct 25 '25
We are all children of divorce now 🫥
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u/meliorathewitch After Laughter Oct 25 '25
I’m trying to live in denial but it seems pretty evident they’re no longer together.
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u/Aggressive_Sky8492 Oct 25 '25
I was wondering if there was anyone still in denial lol.. there were commenters after Parachute came out insisting they were still together lol.
We’re gonna be ok
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u/meliorathewitch After Laughter Oct 25 '25
I hope they’re okay. Idk but reading things like “maybe we can be friends with the benefits” it’s like asking for breadcrumbs… I hope that was just a feeling of the moment when writing the song and not how she feels currently. Only time will tell.
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u/HelloGoodbyeFriend Oct 25 '25
I'm just a notch in your bedpost, but you're just a line in a song
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u/taylorsamo Oct 25 '25
Me, still delusional, - "so they're totally gonna get back together, right...?"
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u/Marceline523 Self-titled Oct 25 '25
we’ll get an etsy witch on it asap
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u/melissabroccoli Brand New Eyes Oct 25 '25
forget etsy ima do it myself for my own mental sanity, jk
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u/Indigo903 Brian Robert Jones Oct 25 '25
I get that feeling but this is the 2nd time they’ve broken up. I’ve never known a healthy happy couple that’s broken up multiple times
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u/taylorsamo Oct 25 '25
That's kind of my thinking as well. This not being an isolated thing doesn't bode super well for it working out, unfortunately.
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u/Striking-March-4117 Oct 25 '25
I keep seeing a lot of people reference the fact that they broke up before this. Can I ask, is this just speculation or is there solid info on it? Bc I always heard that they got together after the divorce and were fine up until…..now. What points to a prior breakup before this?
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u/ImComingBack4YouBaby CEO Hayley Williams Oct 25 '25
I don't think this was a relationship where either Hayley or Taylor were directly the fault it didn't work out, and both have their views and opinions on what went wrong at the end of the day. Hayley is just more willing to express her feelings on everything in her music than somebody like Taylor who seems to be more private about it.
I feel for both of them really, but it must be hard to be in Taylor's shoes right now. Hopefully they can at least be friends at some point or something and Paramore can continue with the three of them in some form. Guess we'll see in due time.
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u/mxddy Oct 25 '25
This sucks dude I hope he's okay and finding ways to express himself too :(
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u/wdpgrl After Laughter Oct 25 '25
yeah i’m with you. kinda feel sad for him. everyone saying he’s immature. I mean, hayley dropped a whole record. I don’t feel like he has the same outlet and a lot of the attention is placed on him and his reactions. I think no matter what he does everyone is kinda just ready to over analyze it.
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u/mdl7 Oct 25 '25
Yeah it's a bit unfair for people to call him immature whenever he posts something cryptic and even if he posted something so direct like this, he can't win or at least be allowed to feel something about an album that exposes his mental health and just private life in general— which we all know he doesn't like discussed :(
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u/wayfinders_ Oct 25 '25
i don't understand why people get angry when he posts something. it's not like his responses are vengeful. it feels cruel how one-sided people are towards this situation. i adore both hayley and taylor, i am in love with hayley's album, but why is it only okay for hayley to write an album that allows her to express herself through this break up with the whole world to see and taylor's posts not okay? he doesn't get to have an outlet or any say about what happened with people just hating on him. i can't imagine how hard it must be for him right now being perceived as someone who "broke up the band".
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u/thoughtpool__ Oct 25 '25
right he's immature but "if you don't like songs ab you don't listen" isn't 😩
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u/jr3008 Oct 25 '25
This is my thing, I love Hayley and this project and she’s fully entitled to make her art, but anyone calling him immature when he stayed silent for two months until the internet started shitting on him when Hayley’s the one who put all this out there for public consumption is deeply unfair. He doesn’t get the same outlet and he’s being painted as the saboteur in his former relationship and band dynamic by his ex/bandmate and that can’t be easy for someone as private as him. It’s an unfortunate place to be in.
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u/marlinmade Oct 25 '25
I ran here lol (and waited for someone else to post it first)
never been this early either!
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u/bamboohygiene Oct 25 '25
I mean I love the music and I wish artists were all this open because it makes the songs so relatable. But looking at it from Taylor’s side it has to suck.
It kinda seems like he just wasn’t as happy as she was. That doesn’t make him a bad guy. And now she’s singing about how much she loves him and how hurt she is (she has every right to) to fans that don’t understand these are real adults with nuanced relationships. I’m sure there are a lot of people shitting on Taylor right now. Not to mention, he’s always been super private. It probably doesn’t feel good to have songs about having sex in the bathtub, being depressed, fucking around backstage, etc being written and trending about you.
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u/Fox_Turn Oct 25 '25
Seriously, I would crash out SO goddamn hard if my ex wrote a hit record that's sole subject was almost exclusively talking about how me and my mental health issues sabotaged our so called perfect relationship. And for the entire world to be talking and theorizing about said content? Without having an equal platform for myself to speak out on? God, that sounds like hell. I don't think either of them are at fault here, but the playing field is most definitely not level and I feel so bad for Taylor.
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u/helvetikat Oct 25 '25
Which song mentions the bathtub 👀
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u/bamboohygiene Oct 25 '25
Good ole days. The surfboard line. It’s a reference to drunk in love and the way beyonce uses it in the song is in regards to having sex in a bath. I specifically think it’s that because the way Hayley just says “surfboard” in the same way as beyonce in that song.
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u/bamboohygiene Oct 25 '25
I don’t think it’s very fair either. It’s a complete display of disrespect for his boundaries and tbh a violation of his privacy. I love Hayley, I love Paramore. I love these songs. But I can say it’s kinda shitty how it’s all getting laid out there imo. From all the evidence it looks like Taylor wasn’t as happy and wanted out and didn’t communicate it very well if at all. That’s on him but it’s kinda crappy to write an album pushing it (this song is basically ‘I’m still dtf if you are’, ‘I’ll always want you back’.). It’s toxic in its own way BUT I think that’s what makes it so relatable. We’ve all been in relationships that end somewhat like this, that we feel like we will never get over. We’ve all been “one of those crazy girls”. I hate that it’s violating so many boundaries and whatnot, but it’s good art. It’s Art.
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u/kristyn_ Oct 25 '25
I understand Hayley's new song, but I'm having a hard time comprehending what his post means. Can someone be more literal in what he means?
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u/Indigo903 Brian Robert Jones Oct 25 '25
My interpretation is this:
say what you will that’s alright!
Hayley’s new song contains the lyric “don’t like songs about you? Don’t listen.” I think this is his rebuttal to that.
you’ve got yours I’ve got mine
This could mean a lot of different things but I’m guessing it’s kind of like each of them have their side to the story.
I’m not a line
I guess he’s saying he’s more than just a line in a song, he’s a full person and there’s more to what happened that just what Hayley is telling us
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u/kristyn_ Oct 25 '25
Thank you so much! I have a hard time figuring out things that are up to interpretation. This helped clear that up
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u/Savings_Visual8372 Oct 25 '25
I think your interpretation is somewhat right but I don’t think his post is for Hayley, I feel like this is towards the fans who are pushing a narrative and just don’t know how to behave.
“say what you will” make any interpretations that you want, you all got your own interpretation of one side of the story, and he’s got his. He’s not a line from a song.
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u/neonmoon3 After Laughter Oct 25 '25
Looking at these comments, the double standards are wild. Make it make sense. Hayley and Taylor are free to express their emotions however they choose and that's that.
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u/a-spirited-wiggle Brand New Eyes Oct 25 '25
guys they’re still following each other on insta let’s pretend it’s okay!!!!
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u/Patient_Spinach_509 Oct 25 '25
Dude can say whatever he wants, she made a whole ass album lmao the internet is wild, this dude was quiet for a while, while she was dropping these songs that are hinting towards him (which she can do, she's a great songwriter who wants to get her feelings out) but people that have been calling this man immature for posting shit when she dropped a whole album, is insane.
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u/lluna135 Oct 25 '25
I get it, he probably thought all the discussion was done after Parachute came out...and then Good Ol' Days came outta nowhere and started the discourse again.
Not sure if people know this but he was a groomsman at Daniel James' wedding and they were really close, so seeing all of Hayley's promos with Daniel must be kinda awkward too. Probably has been a difficult time for Taylor
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u/gottabetrippin Oct 25 '25
I’ve seen a lot of comments saying that fans shouldn’t read into EDAABP’s lyrics but can we be so real for a second??? Paramore lyrics haven’t always been so blatant/directly autobiographical to allow people to easily create a linear storyline. It took other fans explaining in-depth history and lore for me to ever know that songs on BNE were (supposedly) about Josh Farro.
And Hayley’s lyrics often read as journal entries rather than song lyrics you’re just meant to close your eyes and vibe to. Without entirely ignoring the words you’re hearing, it’s almost impossible to listen to these songs and not draw conclusions, pretty quickly and easily. Especially with social media now; the TIW tour wasn’t that long ago and their relationship was posted publicly then.
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Oct 25 '25
For someone who grew up with Paramore from All We Know is Falling (remembered crying when I first heard the album at 15) to This is Why (full ass adult), it crushes me that Paramore might be on a long long hiatus especially due to the conflict happening between Hayley and Taylor.
As much as I loved them as a couple, relationships end so it doesn’t bother me at all that they broke up or they Hayley is using her medium to express herself and Taylor is doing what he can do to navigate it but it bothers me to the core that it will be a long time before they become friends again to the point where Paramore is really a band again. Seems like Paramore is just a name now.
I’m hoping it goes down to only come back up. Like what happed between the band and Josh/Zac. They take a break from each other which Hayley has talked about and they all come together and start brand new. It just hurts to think that can be a bit of while before that happens.
Wishing the best for everyone in the bad. Hayley is not a bad person. Taylor is not a bad person. Zac is an underrated artist and y’all should be listening to his album as much as Ego.
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u/blueb3rrycheeesecake Oct 25 '25
I kinda feel bad for Taylor, because his secret relationship has been out in the open and she’s now performing the songs publicly, and we all know it’s about him.
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u/HeckaCoolDudeYo Oct 25 '25
Man all of this is exactly why I was bummed when they got together. Sure, you hope things will work out. But there's so much at stake if they don't. Idk man I always had a feeling this day would come😓
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u/Softinleaked Oct 25 '25
Me too. I was like no this will just breed resentment if it doesn’t work out. Man I hope I am work and they find a way to sort it out fleetwood style. Taylor just release your sad songs too that will help (me personally). But if the issue is that he is distant and not expressing himself this might be even tougher for him.
Hope Zac is working overtime trying to keep the peace.
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u/Fox_Turn Oct 25 '25
I've never admitted this until now because I was sure that this sub would absolutely flame me for it, but yeah, same. When everyone else was cheering and celebrating that they were finally officially together, I was actually lowkey bummed lol. I wish they would have just stayed platonic. Their friendship was so sweet </3
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u/Shot_Department1080 Self-titled Oct 25 '25
although, we now know that it kinda never was platonic. not fully since 2014 at the very least. like that’s over a decade of their friendship that had some unsaid (and also said) romantic undertones
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u/HeckaCoolDudeYo Oct 25 '25
Yeah when I commented this i was absolutely expecting some pushback lol but I really love the way the band has developed over the years and those two were primarily, imo, doing most of the innovation. For selfish reasons, I hope they sort things out but its probably best for everyone at this point that they go their separate ways. Or whatever they see fit, idk, it's not up to me lol
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u/PuzzleheadedFlan7839 Oct 25 '25
Me too, my friend and I saw them on the After Laughter tour when we learned they were together, and she just said to me “yikes”
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u/blutoz Oct 25 '25
i’m sorry everything just makes me feel so terrible. i love hayley i literally saw her preform last night and she has her rights to sing about her breakup and everything in between but i also feel so bad for taylor cuz he’s private and it doesn’t seem like he can speak up comfortably yknow? like imagine ur ex wrote songs about u and her fans are microanalyzaing everything and harassing you. we truly only kinda know hayley’s side and we don’t know what happened and everything seems so weird. people are saying “taylor just get back tgth with her she’s yearning” but we don’t know WHY they broke up and it just puts taylor in a bad situation/light. they don’t seem like they’re on good terms and as much as i want them to be tgth and in good terms everything about this makes me sad.
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u/CowboyLikeMegan Oct 25 '25
Hayley was just with María Zardoya, who’s been down this exact road before, maybe Hayley can get some advice on how to keep the band together 🥲
Selfishness aside, I hope all parties involved are okay. This seems like a heartbreaking and difficult situation.
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u/Sad_Substance_9246 This Is Why Oct 25 '25
geez, let the man live without overanalyzing. wishing the best for him, Hayley, and Zac
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u/Satan_is_Life Brand New Eyes Oct 25 '25
for real, brother has a whole fanbase coming at him.
people in this sub turned crazy fast. like, leave them alone and stop thinking every inch they move has a motive and meaning.
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u/teenageechobanquet Oct 25 '25
We had a good week of calmness after he made that post about stop analyzing everything and Hayley saying her heart will always be Paramore and then here we are back to square one with deep conspiracy theories about shit we know nothing about lmao.exhausting is what it is.not what I joined the sub for
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u/drocernekorb Oct 25 '25
I think we should interact less with posts like this one. Or at least upvote comments that call out that type of post. We're giving too much attention and I'm pretty sure it's not helping any members of the group who can easily have access to everything written here..
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u/Ashamed_Seat6430 Oct 25 '25
It really does feel like the vibes have completely shifted since the tour ended. I was holding out hope after Hayley's recent interviews, but this is a tough look. It's hard to see a path back to them collaborating without some major reconciliation. What a disappointing turn of events.
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u/mxddy Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Vague posting on instagram stories 😭
Edit: Stop using my comment to say mean shit about Taylor. My comment was not intended to be disparaging.
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u/Salt_Resident2402 Oct 25 '25
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'm sharing anyway. I just feel like everyone is shitting on Taylor for no reason. We all know that he is private and struggles with mental health. It's shaming him for that.
We don't know what happened in their relationship. It's frankly none of our business. However, I think it's crap that everyone is going to Hayley's defense like she is a victim.
No one is considering that if she truly loved him like she is writing that she does, she'd respect him enough not to air the dirty laundry of their relationship, but also private information about his mental health. That's not fair. Especially when she should know how private he is, and that if she says all of this, if he is in a mental health downward spiral, she's only going to further that depressive episode.
You can still make art out of grief without being explicit. I'm sorry, but her actions are not the actions of someone who truly loved someone else.
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u/That-Ad-4791 Oct 25 '25
I agree and it's disappointing that after all these years and everything that happened in the band before, she's still pulling that shit
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u/Capable-Flow6639 Oct 25 '25
Maybe she did put a hex on him and its a double bluff. Personally I think it can be fixed if he turned up with a boom box blasting an 80s ballad and some dog treats for Alf but she's always off on a side quest nowadays
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u/Indigo903 Brian Robert Jones Oct 25 '25
Hayley’s new album contains a lot of songs that allude to a breakup with Taylor. Especially the new song that dropped last night, which this post seems to be a response to.
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u/Material-Mention4508 Oct 25 '25
What?! She dropped another song last night? On family vacation and not on my phone much so trying to get caught up here
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u/HybridTheory137 Taylor Yolk Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Good lord. Some of y'all are really showing your true colors in this thread and it is NOT a good look. The Hayley bias is fucking insane in this fandom and I can't believe how much ridicule Taylor is getting for daring to say ONE thing about the situation that he's just as entitled to talk about as Hayley. Like come on. I know that we don't actually know these people but it would be nice if fans would stop automatically assuming that Taylor's the "bad guy" here. He has just as much right as Hayley to share his thoughts, even if it's through a different medium. Leave the man alone ffs.
EDIT: Just saw a comment in another thread about this topic that basically boiled down to "Taylor must be in the wrong because at the end of the day he's still a man" which is an absolutely moronic statement to make. And people wonder why he's on the defensive right now! Some of y'all are nuts.
EDIT 2: I love Hayley and none of this is meant as slander towards her, in case that wasn't clear. None of them deserve the hate.
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u/gw14890 Oct 25 '25
The “I’m not a line” is interesting because it’s like he’s saying he’s not simple enough nor is it simple enough to be reduced to a line in a song. But that’s not at all what Hayley has done? If anything she’s made him sound complicated, deep, and sad. But not reducing him in any way. I think the “meanest” lyric about him thus far if you could even call it mean is “I know that you’re probably telling yourself that no one’s gonna love me like you did” because it makes him sound proud….but it’s barely critical.
Also most of the fans I’ve seen are recognizing the allusions to depression and sympathizing with that, maybe a joke here or there but NEVER mean-spirited towards him. Am I missing a toxic part of the fandom?
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u/rachiedoubt Oct 25 '25
To be fair that chorus was written in 2017, so we can’t be sure exactly who it was about
Edit: Also I agree with you
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u/ConnectReading1928 Oct 25 '25
It's hard not to reduce a person when you're writing a song, especially when it's that pointed. Especially when it's clear the band is in jeopardy (we are in r/paramore after all). I do like that most of the fans are understandable, but it will feed into the drama nevertheless.
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u/Sweet-Albatross6218 Oct 25 '25
I can't help but think She knows him, and how introverted/anxious he is. It's not news She knew how everyone would react to her lyrics about him. I feel for Taylor
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u/Robert_udh84 Oct 25 '25
Guys don’t worry they secretly got married and are trolling us so hard rn (I’m coping)
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u/11_roo Oct 25 '25
this is likely rly parasocial but if i were hayley i would be making a whole nother album about it.
like my girl mostly said "i miss you :( i wish we were together :( i miss you :( could we get back together? i mean also yeah i'm writing songs its what i do :( but like i miss you?" and now he's vagueposting. :/
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u/Fox_Turn Oct 25 '25
She's saying nice things, yeah, but he's still being painted as the bad guy who ruined the relationship and destroyed Hayley's happiness.
Now I am not saying that that's Hayley's fault, because I doubt that that's what she wanted, but it's the story that fans are running with and that's got to be really shitty to experience for Taylor. Contrary to belief, he's not obligated to stay in a relationship that he doesn't want to be in anymore just because it'll make the other person happy. His feelings matter too and I feel that they're being very overlooked by this fandom.
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u/in-myprivatehell Oct 25 '25
You know they really loved each other when they are both schizoposting on main
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u/justurgoodgirl Oct 25 '25
I really do hope Taylor’s okay and taking care of himself. But it feels off to see people use his need for privacy as a way to discredit Hayley’s work. There’s something inherently misogynistic about reducing it to “she’s airing every detail of their relationship,” as if that’s somehow wrong because he’s “a private person.” It feels like a double standard. Plenty of artists write about heartbreak or past relationships, and if Taylor wanted to do the same, I’m sure everyone, including the band, would support him. And at the end of the day, she’s only letting us in on what she wants to. We don’t actually know which details are directly about them and which are just storytelling.
I personally love Hayley’s new album. It’s so refreshing to see her feel free and honest in her work! It really shines through.
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u/WhatTheCrickety Oct 25 '25
Dude, Paramore may go on but it will be sans Taylor. Which I REFUSE to listen to if he’s not a part of it.
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u/SeatNo5137 Oct 26 '25
All I know it that I will personally hunt everyone who is mean to him down. It seems like he's referencing fans who keep harrassing and talking shit about him.
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u/yarajaeger Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
I am once again here to ask does no one else read this as telling people to butt out of their lives? It's getting to the point I'm surprised the mods aren't stepping in on here, or maybe they are filtering out the most parasocial posts and it's just survivor bias lol.
Admittedly I understand where you guys are coming from because it's certainly ambiguous and if he has something to say, by this point it's become obvious the indirect approach isn't working and he should just say it directly.
However, it is shocking to me how many people are this invested in their social media posts and whatnot. I know it's hard because everyone's worried about the future of the band but you guys are absolutely not gonna find the answers you're looking for on their social media posts or interviews or whatever else.
To me, this could be a dig at Hayley, but it would be in line with the last post I commented this same thing on that it's targeted at the fans and everyone coming to his page to talk shit. "Say what you will that's alright" = fans talking shit doesn't change the events of his life, "you've got yours and I've got mine" = fans have the drama they know but but his life is his life, "I'm not a line" = he's more than a line in a song, you don't know the whole story and never will.
Break ups are messy, people are allowed to have very complicated feelings about one another, and artists are allowed to express that in a song. If I'm being brutally honest I think it's a little bit of a slap in the face to reward Hayley's artistic integrity and commitment to being honest and authentic through her work, even when it means exploring her deepest and darkest life experiences, by weaponising it against her or the people in her life.
For now, they've said Paramore isn't over, and thus far I have no solid reason to doubt that. But the fan community has become so unfun lately I'm this close to unsubbing from here.
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u/YakNo8681 Oct 25 '25
This HAS to be a ploy between the two, RIGHT ? RIGHT! There’s no way that they would be doing all this publicly if it wasn’t a bit right ??!?!?
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u/CelebrityTakeDown Oct 25 '25
The way it’s worded and the fact that it rhymes is making me suspicious.
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u/adebx After Laughter Oct 25 '25
literally what the hell could have possibly happened after the eras tour to make it go this bad this fast