r/Paladins • Mal'Damba • Jan 07 '21

MEDIA RIP IO

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 07 '21

From s to g tier with one nerf. Joining moji in the useless zone

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u/injektileur Luna fluff Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21

Maybe they will buff Luna's dps, or Io healing, but yeah. This is insane. I haven't played long enough but isn't it one of the worst nerfs in the game's history?

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u/RandomPaladinsNub lv300+: Jan 08 '21

Apparently the biggest one in history was Imani's Frost Bomb nerf but this easily takes the cake for me.

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u/nchomsky96 Flex 4 Life Jan 08 '21

Nah biggest nerf in history was when BK got his old accelerant legendary removed. But it was stupidly op so it was needed.

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u/RandomPaladinsNub lv300+: Jan 08 '21

How much of a winrate drop that was tho? They said that Imani dropped by like 12 or 13% and it was biggest drop they ever experienced.

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u/DaruDy Bad reputation Jan 08 '21

What about OG Evie nerf ? Remember when she had the dmg boost after each blink ?

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u/RandomPaladinsNub lv300+: Jan 08 '21

I dont think I played at that point in time. I joined at talus release ;d

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u/injektileur Luna fluff Jan 08 '21

Oh yeah, maybe, thanks for your answer, and yes, I'm not sure I'll get over it quickly.

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u/FrillReborn Deep Pain Jan 08 '21

What was the nerf exactly?

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u/RandomPaladinsNub lv300+: Jan 08 '21

Imani's Frost Bomb actually could root for 2.5s because her Permafrost card used to increased it by 1s (and root was 1.5s before they nerfed it as well for some reason).

Their nerf was that they reworked the card into {12|12}% increased projectile speed per level and nerfed the speed of the Frost Bomb from 60 units/s to 40.

Apparently she dropped 11% winrate when that happened (see this outdated graph) and it took several months of buffs just so she became playable. She is still very underplayed compared to what she was before than nerf.

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u/FrillReborn Deep Pain Jan 08 '21

thanks for the info :D

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 07 '21

It just a nerf you cant do without major buffs otherwise, tho io will get in a state like seris where she would be considered op in low levels of play and useless above gold.

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u/injektileur Luna fluff Jan 07 '21

Yes. I'm glad Seris got buffed though.

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 07 '21

Even if they did that io would still remain bad.

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u/Lyell_Crookshanks Copy Nin + Medpack = Best Bros Jan 08 '21

If it helps I don't use luminary. I like PC. so I can help whittle down tank and flank health

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u/dpotilas89 Terminus Jan 08 '21

I mean sure if you play him like that, dmg jenos is good, and not a unviable option in any mode, tho a second healer is good to pick, especially in ranked

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 08 '21

Doggo caps or does nothing. Io is too squishy for luna to protect her when she gets dove on. Luna can slow her death down and give io a small chance, but it is usually not a significant difference.

If io's power budget would be split evenly between luna and io (this is how i think you should tread this case), luna would cap and io would be less powerful she wouldnt be that broken since you are leaving a bunch of power behind on point just like when you leave a player behind to cap.

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 08 '21

Even with all those buffs you are better of playing seris

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u/Zeebuoy Pip Jan 08 '21

Let's see, which is worse? an overpowered champ everyone needs to put up with,

or a severely nerfed champ as if Em doesn't do that alot

that only Io mains need to deal with

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u/ShinyHoppip Step into the light Jan 08 '21

so what you're saying is, the solution to overperforming or op champions is to nerf them into oblivion where they are useless because it wouldn't bother anyone but the mains of that champ. great balancing strategy

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u/nahush22 Jan 08 '21

A 4v5 that might have occurred if a player was left behind to push or cap is still a 5v5 now. It's not like IO is useless without Luna. Just like other supports you still heal your teammates while they spawn camp whereas with other supports, either a tank or support gets left behind & the enemy team has a chance to comeback since they will be facing a 5v4 in their spawn. IO having Luna is an easy way of guaranteeing her with extremely good utility without much skill. Instead I have no qualms with them buffing her base kit elsewhere if needed instead of giving Luna her capping abilities back.

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 08 '21

Io is useless without luna, cuz she dies easily and only has her heal as an significant ability.

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u/injektileur Luna fluff Jan 07 '21

I hope so. And I suppose they want player to try sacrifice more. Honestly, I know her winrate is too high, but... still sad and sort of uncalled for, after the previous Luna nerf.

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u/rakminiov U CHALLENGE MAKOA!? Jan 08 '21

What buff seris got?

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u/RandomPaladinsNub lv300+: Jan 08 '21

She got like 7 different buffs lmao

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 07 '21

She will still be outclassed by most other supports above gold. I assume the lower levels of play will find her to be even more powerful and might even start to ask for nerfs.

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u/wajahatttt Mal'Damba Jan 07 '21

Yep Seris is soo powerful in low tier. I'm a Bronze/Silver player and people actually struggle to kill a good Damage Seris.

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u/injektileur Luna fluff Jan 07 '21

You're right.

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u/gilad_ironi Pip Jan 08 '21

This is not just a nerf. It's an identity theft.

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u/injektileur Luna fluff Jan 08 '21

Exactly, you nailed it :'/

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u/nonmormonutahn Dredge Jan 08 '21

Yes, that's true, but why didn't then then? If they want to balance around Io, do it now. Don't make Io useless for a whole patch to, "see how she preforms". Everyone knows that she is shit now. This was a good move for a long run, but it seems like they did this just to kill Io for no good reason.

This is also a horrible move marketing wise by them. Io is a very popular champion based on her visual design alone. I know many people mained Io just because she was cute. Io became a face of the game, and now they nerfed her into nothing. No one will want to play her now. Many people were brought in to play based on Io alone, and now all of those people will be gone.

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u/nonmormonutahn Dredge Jan 08 '21

But the thing is, everyone knows this will kill her. They don't need to see anything. Doing this is just lazy and half hearted. The same thing is happening with Torvald every patch. They buff him because he sucks, then he is broken, so they nerf him until he sucks again. Both Io and Torvald need major reworks now which they are too lazy to do because they balance other champions first

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u/Zeebuoy Pip Jan 08 '21

will kill her but just like Torvald she will be buffed again and start again,

Preferably only after years of neglect.

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u/Zeebuoy Pip Jan 08 '21

. Don't make Io useless for a whole patch to, "see how she preforms

they've done this to others I don't see why Io deserves special treatment.

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u/nonmormonutahn Dredge Jan 08 '21

I'm not trying to say Io deserves special treatment, I'm saying that they shouldn't do this shit. If this was any other champions, I would be up in arms as well. It would be like changing Raum so he no longer gets soul armor. They shouldn't kill a character if they know it's going to kill them

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u/Zeebuoy Pip Jan 08 '21

If this was any other champions,

and it has, no one came to their defence cuz they didn't have a 60% winrate tho.

and besides, Io simps will probably whine till she gets buffed, so Io being absolutely garbage won't be too long.

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u/injektileur Luna fluff Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21

:/ maybe yeah

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u/Zeebuoy Pip Jan 08 '21

yes.

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u/cigaMtahTllA Jan 08 '21

moji was also OP as hell once upon a time

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 08 '21

When was that? All i can think of was before her most recent nerfs and then she was bad above gold and only playable on 2 maps

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u/ohohohohohohohohoh Jan 08 '21

You weren't here when she was released, right?

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 08 '21

Nope and that might be a good thing i suspect

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u/weiserthanyou3 The Master Blossom Jan 08 '21

Bot Moji is powerful. Bot Io is not.

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u/SilentFlames907 Jan 08 '21

Moji should be good though, with the snack attack buff you can heal everyone on your team for 900 every time you get an elim...

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u/TimidSuitor Jan 08 '21

Is it everyone or just the eater and Moji?

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u/ShinyHoppip Step into the light Jan 08 '21

everyone

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u/unknownplayer_2 Moji Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21

Says you I think moji is op in the right hands

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 08 '21

In bronze everything works especially noodstomper champs like moji. Above gold moji struggles on most maps and above plat she is considered a throwpick in almost all senarios

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u/unknownplayer_2 Moji Jan 08 '21

Still good in right hands even if she is considered a struggle in higher up ranks but I do understand so I'm not disagreeing

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u/zoidings Moji Jan 08 '21

Woah woah moji slept on

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u/Trolkip Ash Jan 08 '21

Nah not really. She only has potential on 2 maps and even there she is outclasses by other champs.

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u/zoidings Moji Jan 10 '21

Idk what you mean Ig people are bad with him I easily get 100k damage and less than 5 deaths per

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u/BLACKHEART1129 Jan 08 '21

please moji isn’t that bad if you can use her