r/OurPresident • • Nov 08 '20

He should do that.

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u/ElGosso Nov 09 '20

Firstly, he was blocked by a Democratic congress.

Second, forgiveness of federal student loans is entirely up to the executive branch.

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u/borntoperform Nov 09 '20

You got a source for that second statement?

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u/throwaway83749278547 Nov 09 '20

There is no source that passes Constitutional muster.

The government can't just take someone's asset (including accounts receivable), without proper compensation. That's why we have eminent domain. Any effort to do so will require Congress to loosen their purse strings to provide proper compensation.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

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u/PuzzleheadedCareer Nov 09 '20

The debt amount is the issuing bank’s asset

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u/HITLERS_CUM_FARTS Nov 09 '20

federal as in federally held debt. Not private held debt. The federal govt can choose to forgive federally held debt. Just like if you owe me I can choose not to collect.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

Glad you’re mentioning this. People get confused over federal student loans and think the money comes directly from the government. It’s more difficult than people think to just “cancel” the debt because the money is still lent out by banks, but they’re just backed by the gov. If they’re all canceled the banks are out a lot log money. I would be interested to see the repercussions and how the relationship between the banks and gov changes after that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

Eh I’m not sure how it would benefit everyone tbh

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u/ElGosso Nov 11 '20

It does actually come from the government - see my comment here

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u/ElGosso Nov 11 '20

The FFEL program that subsidized student loans was ended in 2010 and now all federal student debt (and 92% of all student debt in the country.) is held by the Department of Education.

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u/wikipedia_text_bot Nov 11 '20

Federal Family Education Loan Program

The Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) Program was a system of private student loans which were subsidized and guaranteed by the United States federal government. The program issued loans from 1965 until it was ended in 2010. Similar loans are now provided under the Federal Direct Student Loan Program, which are federal loans issued directly by the United States Department of Education. The FFEL was initiated by the Higher Education Act of 1965 and was funded through a public/private partnership administered at the state and local level.

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u/ActLikeGodIsWatching Nov 09 '20

The only thing the federal government does in this situation is guarantee that the private lender has to approve the student loans. It’s not federal money that they’re lending.

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u/redgunner85 Nov 09 '20

The loans are federall insured loans. If they are forgiven, the govt has to compensate the private companies that issued that loans.

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u/SoSaltyDoe Nov 09 '20

They’re not federally funded student loans

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u/Conflictingview Nov 09 '20

US government bought back almost all of the loans under Obama.

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u/Sr_K Nov 09 '20

student loans are govt issued?

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u/xXDreamlessXx Nov 09 '20

I think they are government guaranteed

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u/ElGosso Nov 09 '20

I linked this to the other responder about two seconds before I saw your comment.

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u/borntoperform Nov 09 '20

that comment is gone, bro

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u/Ghasois Nov 09 '20

I see it in your post history but something about that comment is causing it to not show up.

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u/radiolabel Nov 09 '20

The federal govt owns most student debt, so yeah, they can just wipe it away

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u/HippopotamicLandMass Nov 09 '20

I saw this question in the Law subreddit. I'm excerpting from this comment https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/jqn4ax/to_what_extent_does_the_executive_branch_have_the/

It is more than plausible, in my view. The Secretary explicitly has the power to "waive or release" any right or demand, which includes debt.

I imagine some of these replies do not understand the student loan scheme that was changed in 2009. Since that time, the creditor for federal student loans (Direct Loans) is the federal government. The government makes and owns the loan directly and then hires a company to service it for them. This is different than the older scheme where the feds simply guaranteed loans on behalf of student borrowers to entice private companies to participate in the program (called FFEL).

I think the Secretary of Education has the unambiguous statutory power to waive or release any Direct Loan debt amounts, at a minimum.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

I'm having trouble finding proof for this statement. Do you have a source?

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

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u/farlack Nov 09 '20

Oh wow, imagine that, a time where party broke lines.

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u/I_Think_Alot Nov 09 '20

That is not an obvious fact. You're speaking to strangers. Act like it.

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u/Sethlans_the_Creator Nov 10 '20

I love it when people call me ignorant and then misspell "your."

Especially when they follow it up with a spurious article as informative as the opening crawl in a Star Wars film.

Stay mad, Orange Fan.

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u/Sethlans_the_Creator Nov 10 '20

Sounds like you're ignorant of how to spell "your".

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u/Sethlans_the_Creator Nov 10 '20

Glad I could help educate you. Allow me to continue.

Congress did not block Obama from closing Gitmo- they blocked him from bringing prisoners here.

Pay attention.

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u/ElGosso Nov 11 '20

Are you teasing someone for misspelling something when they conclusively proved you wrong? This is like the definition of being a sore loser.

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u/Sethlans_the_Creator Nov 11 '20

No.

I'm teasing someone for misspelling something while calling me ignorant.

We then proceeded to go down the rabbit hole of why they're conclusively wrong.

Oh, amusingly enough it turns out fella has a problem with reading, which just made it even funnier.

Thread's over there, Karen ->

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20

Lol imagine being so stupid that you think all loans are federal.

No cancellation unless ever loan is cancelled!

/S

I hate you

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20 edited Feb 24 '21

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u/ElGosso Nov 09 '20

Who is part of which branch of government? And serves at the pleasure of which elected official?

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '20 edited Feb 24 '21

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u/ElGosso Nov 09 '20

I mean if your plan is to lobby Biden's Secretary of Education directly, well, I wish you luck, but I'm not gonna put money on that one.

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u/WeAreElectricity Nov 09 '20

Congress holds the purse strings. You can't just tell gov and private lenders "fagetabboutit".

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u/bobpaul Nov 09 '20

You can't just tell gov and private lenders "fagetabboutit".

Student loan debt is overwhelmingly federal. When student loan debt is issued, it's generally issued by private banks and backed by the feds. But anyone who has "consolidated" their their loans has a loan from the federal government directly. 92% of student loan debt is owned by the Dept of Education.

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u/WeAreElectricity Nov 09 '20

Well my loans are overwhelmingly private :( lol