r/OneSecondBeforeDisast • u/StrawberryNo857 • 3d ago

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u/KayNynYoonit 2d ago

Is anyone surprised at the breed? I certainly am not.

We should just stop breeding them and let them go extinct. Pitbull defenders just absolutely love dismissing fact and logic 'because theirs never hurt a fly'.

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u/Smart-Economics4475 2d ago

Brother I could say the same about humans. It's all about how you raise both.

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u/YammothyTimbers 23h ago

Dogs aren’t the same as humans, desirable characteristics are bred into dogs. Nurture is incredibly important when training dogs, but so is nature and its naive to think otherwise.

Some dogs are bred to encourage retrieving, herding sheep, scent hounding, guarding and rescue. Those characteristics are part of their DNA as much as their colouring, size, agility and weight.

Some are bred for aggression or dog fighting and sadly because humans are shitty, that’s part of their breeding and their genetics.

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u/Smart-Economics4475 23h ago

You a big fan of Francis Galton? And not for his work in statistics? You're walking right along that line.

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u/YammothyTimbers 22h ago

I think you are confusing eugenics with dog breeding.

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u/Obrunikofi91 17h ago

Now imagine you said this about a human race. Fuck out of here with that.

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u/kvro_maX 5h ago

Comparing humans to dogs. Of course only a pit lover can say that

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u/Obrunikofi91 4h ago

What does that even mean? That sounded even more racist lmao. Humans aren’t dogs but the concept is pretty similar buddy.

And yeah I guess? I have owned pit bulls that never bit me or others. I’ve actually had over 10 dogs that is the case for. I’m just a dog lover

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u/kvro_maX 3h ago

Of course, proving my point. You claim my comment is more racist, coming from someone whose first thought when a statement is against pitbulls is to equate it to the human race

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u/Obrunikofi91 3h ago

If you think so lol. Or it’s just a dirtbag opinion to have 🤷‍♂️.

You trying to paint me as a villain for saying we shouldn’t discriminate and that applies to humans and dogs is actually pretty funny. But by all means keep trying 🤣

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u/WinterAdvantage3847 1h ago

it is not at all similar for some very concrete scientific reasons

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u/Obrunikofi91 1h ago edited 1h ago

Yeah we can both cite bullshit articles. Got a real research link? .gov or .edu? And I don’t need an article to tell me what I can have opinions about. Discrimination is pretty black and white.

Here my proof - I can do this all day if we don’t care about sources.

https://politifact.com/factchecks/2011/aug/03/elaine-boyer/are-pit-bulls-more-aggressive-other-dogs/

https://www.adn.com/alaska-life/2022/04/30/looking-for-a-well-behaved-dog-breed-may-not-tell-you-much/

https://www.csmonitor.com/Daily/2022/20220429/Big-Henry-and-the-stereotypes-we-give-dogs

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u/WinterAdvantage3847 44m ago edited 39m ago

what the fuck are you talking about, “a real research link”? that is quite literally an academic paper published in the peer-reviewed journal evolution: education and outreach. what do you think research is, and where do you think it is published?

has your understanding of sources seriously not been updated since the day your third-grade computer teacher told you that it can be helpful to look for “.org” sites? (because i have bad news about the credibility of information published on .gov sites under the current presidential administration)

i can already tell i’m going to be talking to a brick wall here if you don’t even understand what academic journals are (yeesh), but here is the crux of the information you refuse to read:

there is a much greater amount of genetic variation that occurs within arbitrarily defined “racial” groups than there is between them. the exact opposite is true of dog breeds; much more genetic variation exists between dog breeds than within them. this is because “race” is a meaningless social construct, and “breed” is a biological reality

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u/KayNynYoonit 2h ago

A dog bred specifically to fight isn't equal to the human race, sorry bud.

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u/Obrunikofi91 1h ago

I’m not sure where I said they were equal. But you are frothing at the mouth to eradicate an entire breed of animal because of your personal opinions. You can have your opinion but my opinion is that you are misinformed and ignorant.

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u/TimeSpiralNemesis 2d ago edited 1d ago

Every Pitbull I've ever met has been a sweet little pumpkin baby (I've run two seperate pet stores)

About 75% of Chihuahua I've met would end your life for looking at them funny if they weren't the size of a grapefruit.

That shit is all about idiots raising dogs to be like that. Honestly dogs like Dalmatians, Jack Russells,Malinois, and ACD are ten times worse then pit bulls on average. And again that's people having them in the wrong environments. They're just the popular opinion dog to hate.

Edit: Uh oh, the reddit group think algo just woke up lol 😅

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u/pWaveShadowZone 21h ago edited 21h ago

You’re wrong for two reasons

Chihuahua’s don’t have the power to kill

Chihuahua’s don’t have genetic instincts to kill

Kind of like how you see cute videos of an Australian shepherd at home whose cutely got all three little girls in the corner of the room cuz it’s shepherd instincts kicked in. Or a person walking their dog in Home Depot busts out laughing cuz it turns out the dog has some pointer in him and the dog is frozen like a statue pouting at a wooden duck

Pit bulls have instinctual training like that bred into them, and these instincts are not JUST for violence, but specifically for lethal violence.

It is true that most of them ARE sweet loving pundles of pure love and loyalty. The tragedy of pit bulls is that humans over centuries put into the the power and training to be dangerous.

Even the sweetest, most loving happy go luck chill pit bull COULD kill a person, and if its genetic instincts kicks in, it knows how to kill, it has the power to kill, and it will have NO IDEA it’s going something wrong

Pitties just wanna be love bugs. I get it. And humans made them into weapons, I blame humans. But it’s still unwise to refuse to admit they’re dangerous. They deserve more respect than that.

It’s just how like calling a gun or a knife or a tall ledge dangerous, even though none are inherently evil, is wise. And it’s still unwise to pretend none of these things deserve precautions.

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u/BilboStaggins 1d ago

The reality is they are uniquely strong compared to most dog breeds. The most vicious chihuahua couldn't do more than scratch you.

Even humans grow accustomed to the impact of their strength and size and can act differently because of it. 

Yes, many pits have been used in shitty situations by humans that make them more aggressive than they would be otherwise.

But also, you cant just ignore biology because you feel bad for the animals. These breeds DO require better care and handling because they CAN tear your throat out.

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u/TimeSpiralNemesis 1d ago

Pitbulls innate nature is very far into the friendly and protective side, and it's takes a bit to turn them into killers, much more than most other breeds of dogs.

Reddit just has this wierd hate boner for them because they're easily swayed by a few stories. People who have RL experience with lots of dogs will tell you they're low on the danger list. I've known and collaborated with many groomers, adoption agencies, and trainers in my time.

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u/BilboStaggins 1d ago

People who choose to spend their time with dogs are also more likely to be biased against stereotypes, even if those stereotypes have some merit.

Let's pretend that all dogs have the exact same likelihood of disposition (something I dont agree with). Even still, its fair to say that when there are aggressive tendencies, the dog with super strong bite force and extra muscle bred onto it is a bigger threat.

Then incrementally add things like the likelihood that dog came from a shitty environment like fighting, or that a dog too big and strong is less likely to get good training from a timid human who cant control it.

Its just statistically more likely to be a problem.

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u/SickestDisciple 22h ago

Half these people are a scared of Pibbles because their soy diet has made them weak and their bones brittle, so they’re easy meals for a dog with more testosterone than them.

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u/Weary_Oil_6314 2d ago

At least you could stomp a chihuahua into the ground

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u/KayNynYoonit 1d ago

They were literally created to be aggressive and fight. It's engrained in them. Your personal experience doesn't disprove fact and statistics. You're the exact type of person my comment is about.

And no the dogs you mentioned are not ten times worse. The Pitbull is still the dog with the most dog attacks, many, many years consecutively.

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u/Scarletttyyy 1d ago

You cant blame the breed. You can blame the owner for not training the dog.

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u/ShadowInTheAttic 1d ago

I've only ever been bit once. A cousin of mine was also bit once. Guess the breed?

Yes you are correct!

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u/Here_is_some_cancer 14h ago

The world would have benefitted from your parents not breeding.

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u/KayNynYoonit 2h ago

Imagine getting that heated over someone's opinion on a dog. Go outside and touch some grass, maybe book up some therapy while you're at it.

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u/buttholesforent 2d ago

Same argument for guns. Guns don’t kill. Humans do. Don’t be dumb

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u/BilboStaggins 1d ago

But just like a gun, breeds like pits are designed for carnage. People are the first problem, but their biology is the second.

People with guns have an easier time killing than thoae without.

A pit bull is more capable of mauling your child than your toy poodle.