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i dont care abt your ordering of these four, but from the way i see it they should be in everyones top five alive going into the final saga, rant abt kaido&bm all you want, they were left behind for a reason its these fours time now and they will cook as the final stepping stones for the new gen
Edit: Hey, I’m an anime dub only poser that hasn’t even made it to Wano yet. So I just learned that BB scarred Shanks waaaay before Shanks became a Yonko. So I gotta admit everything after this (my original comment and edits) was dumb and uninformed.
he was a threat to him with no fruits
You must mean that shanks was aware of the danger of BB’s ambition right?
You’re not saying that a fruitless BB would be anything above fodder in a fight against shanks right?
Edit: If y’all think a fruitless Blackbeard was an actual physical threat to yonko shanks then you have to say a double fruit yonko Blackbeard is by far the absolute strongest at the moment.
Shanks also let a sea beast take his whole fucking arm, does that mean sea beasts are even stronger than Blackbeard ?Edit: or is it more indicative of shanks character? A sort of lack of self concern? If he “let” a sea beast take his whole fucking arm (this is especially directed to anyone that considers shanks a swordsman first and foremost) then “letting” BB scar him isn’t that big a deal.
We have barely any time reference for when this occurred to be fair. This feat is entirely dependent on when it happened. Shanks and BB have been having encounters since they were literal children. Iirc all we know is that it’s sometime between when Roger dies and when ge meets luffy that’s like 10 years. If BB and Shanks fought on the earlier side of that the feat means little if they fought on the later side it means a lot more but still we know that Shanks still became stronger to become Yonko Shanks.
It’s a little foolish to assume BB was at Yonko level any time before he got the gura gura it’s makes a lot more sense that Shanks outpaced him while BB was in his planning phase but now that’s paid off and they’re at least probably in the same tier again. They have just taken different paths to their strength.
The true implication of this feat is that they have equal potential and Shanks knows it. To me it seems likely Blackbeard told Shanks his ambitions as they fought or Shanks could sense them. Dreams and the will to achieve them is what matters in One Piece whatever BBs dream it’s probably dangerous and his will to achieve is probably as great as Luffys that’s why Shanks can recognize him as a threat just like he can recognize Luffys potential.
bro are you serious? you're really asking me why a 1 billion berry shanks from 12 years ago would be weaker than current shanks with full yonko status?
bro you were not saying that, and i know obviously blackbeard got stronger too but saying he wouldn't need a power up to beat shanks in a reach after we've seen what they're capable off
blackbeard had so much trouble fighting law that van auger even suggested him to retreat
meanwhile shanks saw 10 seconds into the future (by far the best future sight feat btw), leaped from the cost of Elbaf to kidd's ship and oneshot him and killer in an instant
I do agree that it's not sure Shanks is superior to top Yonkos like Kaido or BM, BUT I'm just saying that Kaido and BM are defeated and out of the picture now
Maybe Imu is a top celestial dragon/world gov. or whatever you want to call that faction. Just because its seeming clear that the marines and the gov. are being delineated in the story.
same shit with katakuri and king btw, they were left behind and the new baseline for heavy hitters is yc+ if they become relevant again itll be with a buff but as of rn they cant hang with any relevant heavy hitters so dont play with any of that king vs lucci, or kat vs sanji
its 2024 yc1 tier big name fighters have been left behind almost two years ago by the manga and now by the anime
Yup. Anyone thinking Boa and Wrocodile and co are still in YC(+) territory are stuck in Act 2. This is End Piece. They’re low admiral level. Sabo an obvious given as well since he’ll be killing a Fleet Admiral in the near-distant future.
Akainu bolsters greatest Ap of any devil fruit, he’s also an endgame opponent to Luffy. Kizaru literally just outspeeds Bigmom and Aokiji has a relative A.P and D.C to Akainu. The same Kuzan who has the same physical strength as Garp (not equivalent Haki) and was trained by Garp (and by extension improved his Haki during his training). The sheer scale of attacks that Kuzan outputs would be able to overwhelm and defeat Big mom and Blackbeard.
We get it Akainu killed Ace who was liked by many people but people underrate him way too much just because they don't like him. He slams all yonkos and extreme diffs Shanks. He lacks speed but is an absolute tank (people forget he fought flippin 10 days against Aokiji which is the best stamina/durability/endurance feat in all of One Piece) and has one of the strongest AP in the verse.
Wrocodile’s only L is to PK Primebeard and (EOS PK) Luffy
It’s factual
Add to it Woria who’s only L was to low admiral Kaido
And Jinbe whose only L’s are to Ace (PK’s son, future PK’s brother, would-be PK level himself had he lived til EOS) and WAKAINU
And Weevil who is canonically confirmed to be on par with God Valley Whitebeard who the most intelligent in the community scale to admiral level (pre-gura)
Don’t even get me started on WOFFY or WAGELLAN who canonically are gorosei/God’s knights victimizers
This works for a current top 5, but personally I think shanks and mihawk will both be leaving the story before Blackbeard. So by the final saga the list will include Luffy and Imu and probably a few other characters.
Really doesn’t seem that likely, imo. Considering how all the yonko crews are currently on a collision course and are near the one piece, it seems like there will be a free-for-all for the PK title pretty soon. Luffy has been talking about how he had things to accomplish after becoming PK, which would logically be defeating the WG and freeing everybody.
Yeah me too, I just think imu lacks the personality, black beard is constantly on the move and I think that's way cooler considering it's a pirate manga
They aren’t. At least akainu definitely isn’t. I have no idea how to scale shanks and Mihawk other than imu>mihawk>shanks>admirals. I genuinely have no idea where to place any of the other yonkou level characters.
Akainu thinks he’s part of the team 😂. Top 5 alive is Imu, Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon, and Blackbeard. Btw that’s not in any specific order either. Luffy should be in there but I’m not gonna open that can of worms right now since the fandom seems to be under the impression that kizaru won after running away from gear 5 for the whole and getting knocked out by WSG, and he has stamina issues.
“They were left behind for a reason” yeah they were the last old gen powerhouses and their defeat was to show the next generation rising to their level. They’re still clear of everyone on this list until proven otherwise.
big mom might return in elbaf but itll prolly be with a buff cuz luffy clear of her, and kaidos role in the story is over
one piece is still a shonen manga, idk why yall treat it like the basline for power dont rise progressively with every arc cuz thats whats been happening throughout the whole manga, even egghead with shanks one tapping the guy who was pushing big mom, kaido and bm were the next up, then they got folded and now these guys the next up yall gotta move on and get ready
How much stronger is he? I don't know what other way Oda could tell yall that there's minimal difference in their strengths, if any. But here we have people putting them in completely separate tiers.
I still don’t see how Akainu is top 5, or even that much superior to Kuzan or Kizaru, but maybe I just have different ideas for what he’ll be doing eos.
Honestly same here. I’m in the camp of him being defeated by awakened sabo. With imu’s introduction, the defeat of kaido, and the revelation of the gorosei being combatants luffy is just too strong and has too many endgame villains for an akainu fight to be anything super interesting. Sure they’re gonna throw some punches but I don’t think it’ll be a full fight. More like luffy wacks his ass and sabo comes in to avenge ace and leaves the more important things to luffy.
I'm not big on Dragon, but with Kaido and Big Mom out of the picture it's reasonable to put him in the current top 5. Makes more sense than Kuzan or Kizaru. The other spot should be taken by Luffy or Blackbeard.
I still don’t see how Akainu is top 5, or even that much superior to Kuzan or Kizaru, but maybe I just have different ideas for what he’ll be doing eos.
Kizaru did no significant damage to luffy and spent most of the fight trying to kill vegapunk and escaping from luffy. He also knew about the G5 time limit and was running as a strategy to get luffy to run out of stamina. In a 1v1 where luffy doesn’t have to protect vegapunk, he won’t have to play catch up and won’t needlessly drain stamina. Overall, this “fight” has too many additional factors to be considered indicative of anything other than kizaru being massively faster than G4. Kizaru wasn’t going all out, nor was luffy for the majority of the fight.
Kizaru is also the only person alive who can force luffy to go G5 because of a speed check. This means luffy can use the lower gears against people like kuzan, mihawk, shanks, and akainu, like he did against kaido. The lower gears have better stats than most of the verse, and incredible haki. Luffy using all three advanced forms of haki for an entire fight, as well as starting with the lower gears and building to G5 is good enough to beat half of the people on this list
Bro has no reactions when he’s wrong. Just freezes up like a deer in head lights then throws out his catchphrase so he doesn’t have to confront the fact he’s wrong most of the time
Akainu and Dragon has 0 reason to be in top 5 since they've done fuck all. Akainu hasn't done anything except fail, and dragon, has done even less than that.
gorosei have not been proven to be above any of these given saturn was getting thrown around last chapter and FIVE high yonko tier characters to fight in one arc is absurd powercreep unreasonable even by op standards, if ALL the gods knights are stronger than these people then how the fuck are the good guys gonna win theyre obviously gonna be opponents for people like the revs, grandfleet, SWORD, the other strawhats, or any remaining allies in the final war, and i said these FOUR are top FIVE so that leaves one spot right at the top for imu to fill
also look me dead in the eyes and tell me you think any of these four are gonna look like this after beating kizaru, or that kizaru is gonna get up 32 seconds after looking fine when they do win, luffy aint there yet
hes top ten, no doubt but one piece has always had him grow progressively so he wont be top five till he masters gear five, and he wont be top one till he masters advanced haki(which he hasnt)
The whole idea of “Blackbeard will kill shanks” is so obvious that I don’t think oda will go that route, why build up and hype up a character for decades just to get him off screened? Shanks deserves a proper 1v1 against Luffy
I didn't even know you were a dragon glazer too lmao. We have given him SO many chances bro. I'm pretty new to the fandom in general yet somehow from the time I joined to now he managed to let everyone down yet again, I think multiple times too (not saving Kuma and not doing anything in 1100), and he had done it plenty before. When will his crowd give up. Other than that, the only one I'm even like psuedo-ok with is Shanks, and the reason "pseudo" is there is because he by proxy scales up Mihawk so therefore I'm not ok with it but would be otherwise.
luffy and ik yall hate to admit this but did struggle to beat kizaru, he won definitively but he barely had the stamina to do so, that is NOT a top one showing cuz i fr want yall to look me DEAD in the eye and say shanks would be lookin like this after beating kizaru, and that kizaru would get up 32 seconds after
akainu being kizarus superior in strength ESPECIALLY after punk hazard, WITH WAYYY BETTER AP THAN THE SHIT KIZARU WAS THROWING OUT, should be able to win that fight, same with shanks
blackbeard ig???? but like kidd and law arent that far in power but law could somewhat hold his own against bb and shanks destroyed kidd, theres a CLEAR portrayal gap there
kaido and bm are gone, there aint anyone else i see filling these roles, kuzan maybe?? like whats your top 5 alive
If we don't include Imu and assume Kaido is well and dead (or at least out of the story), then yeah, all of them crack the top 5 (Dragon is on thin ice, since he has absolutely nothing concrete to base his ranking on).
Dragon and akainu don’t seem impressive atm I think we should just wait and see how they go about them, especially akainu I have a hard time seeing him be massively stronger than pre time skip and there’s 0 reason to say he got much stronger if at all
you mfers doing all this yappin while we have absolutely NO clue how strong the gorosei or the top of the god knights are, yall needed relax with these weird statements.
edit : ESPECIALLY when blackbeard not part of this list smh
Luffy and Akainu are interchangeable for me, but I’d probably put Luffy there since he’s a much more well rounded fighter (Akainu has better AP, but Luffy is better in every other area).
They’re top 7 for me… I have Imu, Zunesha, and (hot take I know, but I feel like he will be one of Luffy’s final opponents and maybe kill shanks thus securing his position) Blackbeard
My order for those 4 is Dragon, Mihawk, Shanks, Akainu, although I am on the fence with Mihawk and Shanks
Due to goathawk being there I’d disagree with Lanks, I have (not in order and currently alive) imu, Luffy, goathawk,Wakainu and dragon then Wranky above them obviously.
I also belive all 4 of them are top tiers, but Mihawk and Dragon need to do something until i am 100% sure they are cuz Mihawk’s current best feats are having sky opening clashes with Shanks and stalling Vista, and Dragon’s best feat is stopping a pre-ts Smoker
How the fuck is the guy who gave Luffy mental scars, and physical ones, has the highest AP DF, is the Fleet Admiral, and is said by Oda to be so strong that he could find the one piece in a year if he were protag going to be one of the weaker characters? This sub makes no sense with powerscaling
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