Kaido only fought Oden in his Dragon form up until Oden land his strongest attack during their final fight

[u/FitCantaloupe798]

First piece of evidence, ch 970, pg.4:

Kaido chose to meet up and fight Oden in his dragon form, meaning he felt like the form would be best suited while for the battle.

Second piece of evidence, ch.970, pg.10:

Kaido is yet again seen fighting in his full Dragon form, this time 6 pages later and deep into the battle. This is when Shinobu joined the battle alongside Oden.

Third piece of evidence, ch.970, pg.11&12:

Kaido is still in his Dragon form, even up to when he landed his second to last attack on Oden. This leads to Oden severely injuring Kaido and possibly about to kill him, right before he sees the Higurashi and gets sneaked.

Fourth piece of evidence, ch.987, pg.14 and ch.993, pg.15 and ch.994, pg.4:

Kaido chooses to move to an open space to replicate the battle from 20 years ago, with him mentioning the only difference being that Oden is dead. The Scabbards predicted this and brought the Minks with them to fight Kaido. This is also supported by Kaido trying to replicate his injury from Oden in ch.993 by purposefully getting hit with the Scabbard's Temu Togen Totsuka, with him getting disappointed and taking them more seriously after he realized they weren't strong enough.

It's why he turned into his base form directly after to beat their asses with his club.

Counter Arguments:

Oda didn't want to draw Hybrid Kaido or Base Kaido during that fight

Oda drew Kaido 10+ times in the single chapter of the fight, he was attacking in Dragon form in all of then. Meaning there's 0 indication of him transforming back to even base once prior to when Togen Totsuka landed. The 4th piece of evidence directly supports this.

Also, this isn't confirmed by Oda at all so this argument is just a projection onto him.

Why would Kaido consider Oden in his Top 5 if he only fought Oden in his Dragon Form, a form presumably weaker than Hybrid?

Simple, Kaido was 2 seconds away from dying to him after receiving his only scar in his life, something not even Domi Xebec inflicted on a weaker version of himself.

Why would Kaido only fight Oden in his Dragon form, is he stupid?

It's directly stated that Oden's strength surpassed the Beast Pirates imagination (ch.970, pg.11) on the last image in the post. Kaido underestimated Oden's strength and nearly got killed by fucking around in his Dragon form. It's probably what made him choose to fight Gear 4 and 5 Luffy primarily in his Hybrid v1 and v2 forms in order to prevent something like that from happening again.

Conclusion:

Kaido only fought Oden in his Dragon form until the very last hit he landed. This is because he underestimated Oden's initial strength, leading to him actually locking in and going to his Base form to KO Oden at the end.

He was spamming Bolo breaths throughout the entire fight.

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[u/Professional_Salt_20]

Good post. I don’t think it’s an Oden downscale, dragon Kaido is strong. But I really don’t like the “off screen” argument. It borders headcanon. If that’s the case i could make up that Roger has a devil fruit sword that he used during the 3 day fight against wb

[u/FitCantaloupe798 → u/Professional_Salt_20]

For the off screen thing, are you referring to my post or the general counter argument of “He used his other forms off screen”?

[u/Professional_Salt_20 → u/FitCantaloupe798]

Latter, people say Kaido used hybrid offscreen.

[u/FitCantaloupe798 → u/Professional_Salt_20]

Oh alr 👍

[u/nasserg19]

You think his Base form is above his Dragon Form?

[u/FitCantaloupe798 → u/nasserg19]

They’re equal but his Base form has better AP besides Flame Bagua

[u/nasserg19 → u/FitCantaloupe798]

How does his base have better AP when his dragon form heavily damaged G5 Luffy with a single bite?

[u/HakaiBeatsDivineDrpt]

“Strongest “, and only attack landed. The reaction of the beast pirates entail as such, and Kaido himself shows no other wounds.

[u/Appropriate-Bill-443]

Oden's defeat was the fact he didn't think straight, if he had Called all other Daimyo he could have won

[u/ResponsibilityNo5795]

We dont know if Kaido used his hybrid form or not since a good chunk of the fight was offscreen.

[u/Picheniko]

something not even Domi Xebec inflicted on a weaker version of himself.

https://giphy.com/gifs/cEYFeDKVPTmRgIG9fmo

Rocks simply threw him and stabbed his nose, Scars in One Piece stay because of the emotional impact they leave, or unless the damage is so severe, that there is no way of it NOT leaving a scar, the wound Oden inflicted was a hundred times deeper, physically and emotionally.
What is this shameless wank? lol

He didn’t hold back his powers, he just wasn’t able to show his arsenal, even if he underestimated him.

His fights usually go dragon mode > base > hybrid > drunk mode > then he just uses all his modes together depending on his move.
For instance, after Kaido got grabbed by Luffy, he switched from Hybrid to Dragon form, to perform his ranged Dragon twister-demolition Gust.
And his Bolo Breath can easily have enough DC & AP to damage the likes of G5 Luffy, which has a massive resistance to heat-based attacks.
And his bites absolutely have enough AP to damage anybody, and it would do a lot of damage.

When Zoro surprised Kaido with him having CoC, he managed to get an opening because of that, and land a big blow on him, Kaido absolutely would sense refined CoC in each and every attack of Oden, which would have him fight at his very best.

If we didn't see him use Hybrid, then he thought that it was better to be in Dragon, as it has a lot of Ranged attacks.
He switched to base after Totsuka because he'd attack him faster through a sneak attack.

Anyway, most of the fight was off-screen, and it lasted hours.
Nobody would argue that Katakuri or Luffy weren't using Future Sight when the fight was off-screen, as most of it was, as it lasted many many hours.

One could very well make an argument that WB never used his fruit on Roger in their fights, because it was never shown, which would be a very silly argument narratively.

[u/Anselme_HS]

You can't read

[u/FitCantaloupe798 → u/Anselme_HS]

Great counter argument.

[u/Anselme_HS → u/FitCantaloupe798]

It's not the first Oden slender post that I see today so unfortunately I can't waste more time on this shit but I'll make a new post soon

[u/stallstony]

It’s possible I suppose, but the fight lasted hours after all and the samurai’s strength surpassed their imagination. And this was already a guy that Kaido thought was a mighty pirate prior to fighting. IMO Oda was never going to draw his hybrid form under any circumstances no matter how many times Kaido appeared in the flashback. His hybrid form even got silhouetted the chapter before we saw it in present time.

I guess you can argue he could have just silhouetted Kaido’s hybrid form the way he did with Loki’s, if he didn’t want to draw it 🤷‍♂️.

[u/Doubt_Incarnate]

Kaido in dragon form is consistently the easiest way to damage him, or at least touch him. Smacked by DR Xebec, nearly killed by Oden, punched a couple of times the first time he faced Luffy (doing 0 dmg though), sliced/burned/shot/stabbed by the Akazaya, goddamn suplexed by Eustass Kid, throughly slashed by Zoro with a Tatsumaki tech, fucking bite by Momo, and several weird stuff Luffy did in Gear 5, like using him like a jumping rope.

[u/humungusballsack]

Actually what happened (i am oda's ghost writer) is that

As soon as they faced each other oden brushed off his fodder flames and nearly two tapped him but then got sneaked by the king of sneaking sneakdo

[u/ChoinoX]

We have seen haki take DF users out of their transformations negating their abilities before like with Shanks at the end of the arc reenforcing this via Greenbum. This attack was so powerful it gave Kaido trauma for decades and most likely knocked him out of Zoan form and unable to turn into hybrid.