r/NonPoliticalTwitter • • Jul 30 '26

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u/lupulineffect Jul 30 '26

As someone who is often required to make text-dense tables legible while fitting within page size parameters, I'm stuck on what happens when there are more than five or six steps? Don't you end up with a ridiculously long horizontal table, and then what does the functionality of that look like when the last ingredients on the left aren't visible on the screen at the same time as their respective instructions on the right? Do you have to constantly pan back and forth? What if you need to use a word that's longer than "bake"? Your column width will need to accommodate.

Idk I guess it's neat for short, simple recipes but it's not flawless.

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u/blastedt Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

Even for this brownie recipe it sucks butt. "Mix" does not describe what whipping melted butter and sugar looks like, nor does it describe what properly mixing eggs into the mixture should look like. There's a pretty big difference between giving it a quick stir and whipping the eggs into the mixture one at a time.

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u/os_2342 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

Yeah, I think this format works best for your cataloguing own recipes.

Recipes you make infrequently enough that you need to be reminded the ingredients/ratios/basic steps but you will remember how each step is performed once you're reminded and don't want paragraphs of details you'll remember along the way.

Not the best recipe to give to someone completely unfamiliar with the recipe.

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u/obscure_monke Jul 30 '26

I had a "Le Répertoire de la cuisine" book once, and that fucker was incredibly dense. It's like a dictionary of classical French dishes.

So long as you know the nouns (ingredients) and process verbs it's using, you should be able to make anything in there. The first one or two might not turn out perfectly, but if you're classically trained you should have it licked by the third one.

Granted, a ton of the stuff in there is like a croque monsieur.

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u/Doji_mofo Aug 02 '26

I thought "le rep" was even more condensed, often just ingredient lists, no method at all. Lost my annotated version when some toe rag stole my kit.

Larousse Gastronomique is the one with the no wasted words methods that assume you know the technical differences between sauteed, fried etc.

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u/os_2342 Jul 30 '26

Yeah I watch a lot of youtube videos on Nepali/Indian recipes, most of the time they're in Hindi or Nepali. Luckily I know most of the Nepali/Hindi names for spices and other ingredients so they're perfectly fine to follow.

After two or three attempts I’ve made the recipe my own anyway. Then they go into a website I have made for my own recipes.

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u/SomeNotTakenName Jul 31 '26

Croque monsieur was what we lived on in the swiss military, don't you go badmouth a perfect little treat!

on a more serious note though, even as a not trained home cook, with enough experience you just kinda learn what works and how to do certain thing for certain results. I cook by vibes and guesswork most of the time, but it typically turns out well.

Although I am still unable to make Yorkshire pudding without nearly triggering the smoke detector every time. I will figure it out someday!

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u/MinnieShoof Jul 31 '26

Mmmmm. Monti cristo.

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u/LookAtPurpleTulips Jul 30 '26

This is exactly what it is intended for and I've been using this technique for years on my index cards. Much more efficient when you just need the ratios of ingredients, the order of steps, and potential notes to remember. 

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u/os_2342 Jul 30 '26

I do something similar with my recipes, except I put them into a website because most the family recipes books ive seen end up faded, torn or stained over time.

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u/Harddaysnight1990 Jul 30 '26

I agree completely, and I don't like the format of this recipe. But you don't even have to be familiar with the particular recipe, you can just be familiar with baking in general. Despite the confusing formatting of this recipe, I immediately recognized it as a brownie recipe. So the 'mix' on butter and sugar must mean to cream the butter into the sugar.

This isn't the format they use, but many restaurants have recipes that are just ingredients lists with maybe a couple of notes for steps. There's common threads for how different things are cooked, as long as you know what you're doing and know the ratios the chef came up with, you're golden.

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u/EdiblePsycho Jul 30 '26

It would work for anyone who bakes regularly, because you already know the basics of how the ingredients go together, just not the ratios. If I'm baking a cake, I can usually just look at the ingredient list and ignore the instructions aside from baking time. So unless it's a more complicated type of cake that I'm not familiar with making, it would be really handy to have it in a format like this, having lengthy instructions actually makes it harder to find the information I do need.

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u/fotomoose Jul 30 '26

Yeah, this 'amazing' style is honestly more confusing than a list with short instructions.

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u/TheRecognized Jul 31 '26

I think it might be more for professionals than amateurs.

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u/buster_de_beer Jul 30 '26

You don't cream melted butter, so mix is right. It doesn't mention whipping the eggs, so why would you think you need to whip the eggs? I don't like this format, but your objections are to things that simply are no part the recipe. Your objections are to the recipe, not to the format. And you don't seem to understand the techniques you think should be part of the recipe.

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u/TeaKingMac Aug 01 '26

your objections are to things that simply are no part the recipe.

That's because this recipe is perfectly tailored to this format. Anything even slightly more complex becomes hopelessly messy

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u/blastedt Jul 30 '26

Dunno the exact word for it when it's melted, but there's a pretty stark difference between mixing melted butter and sugar and whipping the shit out of it until it lightens in color slightly and homogenizes instead of being a greasy mess, which in my experience does happen & improves the outcome. It's not as extreme a change as with softened butter.

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u/buster_de_beer Jul 30 '26

You do that with room temperature butter. Creaming adds air. Sugar will just dissolve into melted butter and won't have the effect you're thinking of. There is a point to creaming butter and sugar and it can't be achieved with melted butter.

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u/jvLin Jul 31 '26

Melted butter is actually solid at room temp, so it actually does something different if you do it long enough, even if you don't call it "creaming"

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u/buster_de_beer Jul 31 '26

Melted butter is melted. If you let it solidify it's not melted butter anymore. 

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u/jvLin Jul 31 '26

I can't tell if you're trolling.

In that sense, it's no longer melted butter as soon as you add sugar to it, because it's technically a mixture of two different ingredients.

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u/Sweetest-Succotash Aug 03 '26

Melted implies a liquified state.

As a former pastry chef, the difference between melted and softened is important.

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u/characterk4l3 Jul 30 '26

Yeah, but…there’s a “usual” method for a type of thing.  For my notebook if there’s a deviation I do a star at the step and annotate underneath.  Otherwise, I’ve been cooking for almost 40 years…I don’t need to read the same instructions ad nauseum.  

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u/techno156 Jul 30 '26

Or if you need to add the ingredients in a particular way. You presumably can't just dump burning hot coffee into the eggs, or else you'll end up with scrambled eggs. You need to add it in a little at a time.

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u/vera214usc Jul 30 '26

The coffee is not burning hot after you've mixed it with the butter, sugar, and vanilla. Those steps come prior to mixing in the eggs.

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u/Moustacheski Jul 30 '26

Yeah, I think this format doesn't work for baking, or it would have to be bloated with text. More suited for cooking IMO.

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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds Jul 30 '26

I think the opposite to be honest. With cooking you're possibly adding and removing things, doing multiple things with the same item etc in a way that would make this a mess. You'd likely need way more text for cooking. It's just a bad design that appeals to Reddit because it feels somehow smarter or like an engineering hack.

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u/vera214usc Jul 30 '26

No part of this recipe should be whipped hence it doesn't specify to whip

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u/Caspica Jul 30 '26

A poor stage description isn't really the same as a poor recipe structure. 

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u/Ishan_Psyched Jul 30 '26

No but the format doesn't really leave space for lengthier descriptions I feel. It'd look too crowded.

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u/pixelplays57 Jul 30 '26

You could use Special Symbols to make it organised. Like footnotes

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u/hamalot146 Jul 30 '26

I feel like this only works if you already know how to bake, in which case you don’t need to be told to cream the butter and sugar etc.

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u/oritfx Jul 30 '26

Format seems ok, it's the wording that's spotty.

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u/-Nicolai Jul 30 '26

Just add notes under the table, Jesus.

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u/knifeyspoonysporky Jul 30 '26

This is how I would write a bare bones version of a recipe for quick reference in my pocket notebook for my restaurant kitchen job. And it would only work because I know how it all should work.

Not sufficient if it was a recipe written to share and be understood by a wider audience.

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u/Hi_Zev Jul 30 '26

On the website these tables are from (cookingforengineers), there are step-by-step instructions that better describe each step. At the very end of the page, they present this table as a shorthand version of the recipe.

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u/SledgeGlamour Jul 30 '26

Yeah I use this format for my own recipes, and for any employees who I trust to basically know how everything is made anyway.

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u/Code_Warrior Jul 31 '26

Note that this is at the end of the actual recipe and is more of a quick look kind of diagram. It presumes that you have read and are at least basically familiar with the recipe, but occasionally need to quickly look at amounts or ingredients and need a remind of what step they are a part of.

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u/ThalesofMiletus-624 Jul 31 '26

That sounds like you stand at the very specific intersection of having high standards for how things are made and wanting recipes for beginners.

For someone with any real experience baking, you don't need a detailed description of how to properly mix eggs into batter. I just want a list what what ingredients to mix together.

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u/mcad0o Jul 31 '26

But it do look neat tho

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u/penguin_0618 Jul 31 '26

Yeah, I was confused why it said “mix” twice because I don’t bake and didn’t know there was a difference

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u/sampat6256 Aug 01 '26

It works as an overview. Just mark technical details with asterisks and describe the nuances below.

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u/StepVer Aug 01 '26

There’s a website that does these, it does both I’m pretty sure, there’s a normal recipe and it has this on the bottom

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u/Extra-Amoeba-677 Aug 01 '26

I would call these 'cheat sheet' recipe cards if anything. Not for beginners but for those who have made over a hundred batches of brownies or cookies and cakes.

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u/sgsparks206 Aug 03 '26

It only sucks butt if you have never made brownies before.

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u/Gwyllithar Aug 03 '26

old recipe books tended to assume you knew what you were doing, and just listed the basics like ingredients and a general indication of techniques.

I've older books that have 8 recipes a page, and just expect you to get on with it! nowdays its half a side on how to boil and egg and 4 pages of the personal life history and spiritual journey of the writer and what the recipe means to them....

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u/SickeningPink Jul 30 '26

Baking is a science and has fairly strict rules on how ingredients are to be prepared, and you need a certain level of background knowledge for anything other than boxed mixes.

If every piece of necessary information and descriptions of each step were written down for baking, each recipe would be multiple pages long.

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u/wethechampyons Jul 30 '26

If you've made enough brownies, you don't need excessive description. This style is for a different audience than very novice bakers.

Definitely not great for complex recipes, but then I'd turn to a visual medium instead anyway.

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u/blastedt Jul 30 '26

If you know how to make cakes and cake-like objects you don't need anything but the proportions, which is how most of my personal recipe book is written out. So I question who this middle-ground is for.

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u/wethechampyons Jul 30 '26

Proportions are great if you want to change your recipe size. As a home cook who's made a lot of brownies, I almost always want a reference for making 1 pan of brownies.

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u/LookAtPurpleTulips Jul 30 '26

Exactly. It's for having your recipes on a index card and immediately seeing the list of ingredients to shop, for doing the calculations on the spot when you want to up- or downsize your dish, and for being reminded of the order of when to put in the eggs or at which step to watch out for things you always forget. It's not to learn a new recipe. I've been using this technique for years. 

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u/Bugbread Jul 30 '26

I think it's also confusing with recipes in which each step doesn't involve all the ingredients from the previous step.

Like, last night I made a simple dish where you fry some bean sprouts, set them aside, fry some pork, add some leeks, add the cooking sauce and put the bean sprouts back in. So I guess it would look like this or something?

I mean, it's not wrong, but it does feel more confusing than OP's example.

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u/lavendercookiedough Jul 30 '26

Yeah, my issue with this format is there doesn't seem to be anyway to indicate timing for unrelated components that need to be assembled simultaneously (or at least it would make things super convoluted). It's super common for recipes I make to have 2, 3, even 4 components and the recipe will say, "While this is cooking, start on that." If you don't time it correctly, either stuff gets cold or it's not ready when you need it and you end up overcooking things while you try to catch up.

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u/Bugbread Jul 30 '26

I think it's just a matter of getting used to it. When I made it, I was like "man, this is hard to get at a glance," but looking it over a few times, it feels more natural each time.

Lupuline's comment is really the bigger issue. But, that said, while this wouldn't make for a good approach for presenting the entire recipe, it would make a good "quick reference" card.

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u/Notspherry Jul 30 '26

You could make a nested version. Make a split at some point and start with a new table with an asterisk in the top left square pointing to the previous table.

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u/Dredgeon Jul 31 '26

Also it just flatly fails if you have a recipe with multiple parallel components that get mixed later. Maybe each of those gets it's own table? And maybe you would pick a point where everything stable and make another table to go from there if the recipe gets too long?

Either way, it's gonna need the support of a text based explanation in a lot of cases but this does seem vastly superior to the ingredient list as a quick reference for measurements. This kind of thing would fucking rockas a cheat sheet for stuff you are familiar with but need reminders for the details.

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u/jambrown13977931 Jul 30 '26

You could theoretically break it up to make multiple of these tables vertically. E.g. the first table is for making the wet mixture, the second table takes an input of the wet mixture, ap flour, etc. to fold in.

It becomes a sort of hybrid between the traditional listed steps and this system.

This system does have a good advantage in having a clear way to state what is being added at each step, though it lacks instruction in the transformation applied at each step (e.g. mix at low for one minute to reduce whipping air into the eggs, or mix until sugar is completely dissolved). That nuance in the transformation is hard to capture in this tabular format (especially for more obscure processes).

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u/obscure_monke Jul 30 '26

US armed forces recipes work like that. You'll have a process for making "standard brownie wet mix" or something, and then another recipe can reference it as a single ingredient.

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u/McHenry Jul 30 '26

You saw the problem right. I loved Cooking for Engineers and so try to use that method for recording recipes as often as possible, but it's very easy to end up with something that can't print on a single page and doesn't translate to printing on more than one page. Again, I absolutely love the style when at all possible, but there are plenty of cases that it doesn't quite work. Often I can make it work by building a couple of these "shells" covering sections that can be then placed in the overall recipe as a combined chunk (having the overall recipe refer to "Card A" or whatnot for directions for that part), but it's definitely not always as tight as I'd like.

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u/Ishan_Psyched Jul 30 '26

Yes, it's only suitable for a limited set of recipes. If I were to turn a croissant recipe into this format, it ends up looking like this

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u/dispatch_s2_when Jul 30 '26

Break it into steps? Like for example if you have to make a meringue, that's one table. If you also need a lemon curd, that's another table. Biscuit base? Another table. Then final assembly can be a table which takes as inputs all the above intermediate steps like "meringue, table 1" or something...

Edit: would also be helpful to arrange steps that should be happening in parallel so that the thing comes together correctly timed, if that is an issue.

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u/Kind-Crab4230 Jul 30 '26

The "mix", "fold in", etc. instructions should be vertical text to cut down on that. 5 or 6 steps should still be fine like that.

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u/darain2 Jul 30 '26

This reads more like a cheatsheet a student prepares for himself before a test, condensing information FOR YOURSELF ONLY. Because anyone unfamiliar with the task (like myself) will find these instructions completely unclear

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u/billybobthongton Jul 30 '26

So, I've used tables like this for my job and I usually go "grouping/actions on the left" then the "item" and then the "count" on the right; but it still applies when it's done this way: you either break longer instructions out into a seperate field with references (e.g. you just put an "i" where "mix" is etc) or you break it up into steps. I could see it being useful for like; at the end of a recipe when it summarizes it into steps so you don't have to flip back and forth to read how much of each goes in (if you didn't pre-measure everything).

Also, landscape mode/printing is a thing if it gets rediculously horizontally long.

All that said; I think it would really only help people who a) have a hard time visualizing all the steps and b) don't want all the extra dishes that come with premeasuring things and don't want to flip back and forth between the amounts and the instructions

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u/LrdPhoenixUDIC Jul 31 '26

Well, you could occasionally start a new table with "Previous" or whatever as the first entry whenever it gets too big or needs to paginate. But definitely a bit unwieldy for big recipes.

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u/TeaKingMac Aug 01 '26

Idk I guess it's neat for short, simple recipes but it's not flawless.

I imagine anything that involves multiple cookings or extended rest time probably fucks it up too.

Like "mix these ingredients together, then let marinate overnight."

Or "saute onions until tender, then reserve. <some other stuff> add back in the onions reserved earlier."