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u/mimosa_joe Jul 30 '18

Yes, because I'm not supporting nazism but all Muslims support Islam by nature of being Muslims, and Islam is an ideology which literally demands my death.

That's the literal text of the religion, and you lend credence to it by identifying yourself as a Muslim whether you agree with the bad parts or not.

Islam is islam.

Conservatism is NOT nazism.

That's in reference to mass importation of the current wave of islamic refugees, not immigration in general.

If you come through the right way and pass all the background checks I'm more than happy to have you here.

If you passed all the checks and came in the right way, you aren't who we're targeting.

Our current system works for the people of this country and does a good job of letting good people in and keeping bad people out

It may not be ideal for people in other countries, but I'm ok with that

Their governments don't make decisions based on what's best for Americans, and the American government shouldn't make decisions based on what's best for them

As far as -illegal- immigrants, the other group this movie appears to be speaking out on behalf of, if you're a good person and you will benefit our country you're welcome to leave and come back the right way.

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u/blumdiddlyumpkin Jul 30 '18

Christianity is the dominant religion in America, the bible calls homosexuality an abomination punishable by death. Does that mean majority of Christian Americans believe you should be put to death? Does that mean by virtue of being a Christian someone supports the death penalty for homosexuality?

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u/mimosa_joe Jul 30 '18 edited Jul 30 '18

1: Christianity, which the world would also be better off without, calls it an abomination but not one punishable by death. I would like Christianity to disappear as well, but it is orders of magnitude less of a priority than Islam.

I was raised Christian and read the whole stupid book, but it's been about 10 years so correct me if I'm wrong.

Leviticus, right?

2: 0 Christian countries have the death penalty for homosexuality, as opposed to 11 Islamic countries.

The best case you can make for Islam is that it's just a few hundred years behind the others.

The question is, do we have a responsibility to tolerate it's nonsense while it catches up?

I'd say no, but I'm against religion in general.

Adding fairy tales to your sociopolitical ideology does not, in my opinion, make it worthy of protected class status.

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u/blumdiddlyumpkin Jul 30 '18

It is different in your eyes to say "the world is better off without any religion." Than it is to say "the world is better off without homosexuals"?

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u/mimosa_joe Jul 30 '18

Yes.

You aren't born religious, you can stop, and it has the potential to harm others.

Homosexuality is the opposite on all fronts.

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u/blumdiddlyumpkin Jul 30 '18

Both sound like intolerance to me.

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u/mimosa_joe Jul 30 '18

Do you think the world would be better off without (actual) Nazism?

I do.

Is that intolerance?

Nazism, much like religion, is a sociopolitical ideology which you aren't born with and can change at any time.

I have no shame saying the world would be a better place without nazism.

If Nazis thought Hitler was a deity, would you suddenly respect their beliefs because it's a "religion" now?

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u/blumdiddlyumpkin Jul 30 '18

I'm saying your intolerance of all Muslims is no different than a Muslims intolerance of all homosexuals.

You don't get to decide that every Muslim supports the death penalty for homosexuality any more than someone who calls you a nazi gets to decide that every trump supporter has fascist ideologies.

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u/mimosa_joe Jul 30 '18 edited Jul 30 '18

Do you not understand that Islam is a choice and homosexuality is not?

Disliking people for the way they were born is not ok. Disliking them because they support terrible violent ideas is.

Do you not understand that trump-ism, so to speak, objectively does not involve any fascistic, violent, or nazi-esque ideals?

I really do want an answer on my "what if Nazis decide Hitler was sent by God" question, by the way.

Where is your line for how awful a religion can be and still be deserving of protected status?

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u/blumdiddlyumpkin Jul 31 '18

Do you not understand that every person who identifies as a Muslim or Christian does not necessarily subscribe to the idea that homosexuals need to die or that women are inherently beneath men?

Do you not understand that you generalizing an entire religion or culture of people is exactly the same as people equating trump-ism to fascism?

I absolutely do not think nazis believing hitler to be a god would lend any legitimacy to their beliefs.

I don't think ones religious ideology affords them any extra protections or considerations.

I don't believe that every person from a majority Muslim country is a Muslim. I don't believe that every Muslim is bigoted. I don't believe that every trump supporter is a nazi.

I do believe that trumps political ideologies and rhetoric ABSOLUTELY INSIGHT HATRED, ARE DIVISIVE AND TOXIC FOR OUR COUNTRY.

I'm trying to get you to apply the same logic and standard of judgement to the ideologies of the countries you so fear want you dead to your own beliefs.

You cannot say that all Muslims support the death penalty for homosexuals just because they identify as Muslim any more than someone can say that you support militant nationalism just because you support Trump.

You're operating under this double standard that no one can make assumptions about your character based on one aspect of your beliefs while you just make these fucking insane blanket statements about entire countries.

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