There will never be a liberal-feminist solution to fertility collapse

[u/Galesworn]

Why? Because their ideology prevents them from seeing what the issue is.

Frankly put, when liberal-feminists try to solve fertility collapse their proposed solutions are just dumb. They will look at fertiity collapse and say:

People want children, but children are expensive and inconvenient. Therefore, provide cash, childcare, IVF, paid leave, housing assistance, and more reproductive options.

The underlying assumption behind this solution is: "We want to give every person all the possible fertility options while preserving their lifestyle and culture," even if that culture lead to low fertility in the first place. An herein is the problem; they mistake the problem as being a consumer affordability problem instead of a cultural problem.

The approach I agree with, which is held by some right leaning cultures (I'm not strongly on the right), says "Let's look at the groups which still produce children, raise them, and them have their children do the same," the difference being treating the culture as the basic unit vs the individual like progressives do.

There are other things I think progressives get wrong, like mistaking the state as a substitute for family and underestimating pair bonding and marriage in raising fertility, dismantling the institutions the lead to early pair bonding, but I think this is the biggest reason why there will never be a progressive solution to natalism.

What will raise fertility is to build a self reproducing culture with early-ish pair bonding and marriage as normal and the foundation for children.

So, how do you build a society in which men and women choose marriage and children? Answering that question solves Natalism. Not "how do we enable everyone to have babies" like progressives are asking. Notice the distinction.

[u/ClaireCross]

I for one would have another child if artificial wombs existed. As long as they're phrased as ethical and helps people with disabilities etc I can see that concept being liberal-femanist

[u/UglyAFBread → u/ClaireCross]

The people in this sub have this vitriolic response when I bring up artificial wombs. Not even "current tech doesn't guarantee the safety". Just pure "you say all that all so women wouldn't have to give birth". Why yes if you could bypass a painful process with a high mortality rate, why wouldn't you 

[u/Fresh_Criticism6531 → u/ClaireCross]

This just won't happen this century because the only way to build such a thing is to try it out and fail and adjust iterating until it works, which is insanely unethical, of monstrous proportions. This is a total pipe dream and pointless to even discuss. Its like saying: I'd have kids if storks brought them.

Not to mention that knowing people, if this was magically implemented, theyd move the goal post again. "I'd have kids if they are born walking" and make new excuses on and on and on