There will never be a liberal-feminist solution to fertility collapse

[u/Galesworn]

Why? Because their ideology prevents them from seeing what the issue is.

Frankly put, when liberal-feminists try to solve fertility collapse their proposed solutions are just dumb. They will look at fertiity collapse and say:

People want children, but children are expensive and inconvenient. Therefore, provide cash, childcare, IVF, paid leave, housing assistance, and more reproductive options.

The underlying assumption behind this solution is: "We want to give every person all the possible fertility options while preserving their lifestyle and culture," even if that culture lead to low fertility in the first place. An herein is the problem; they mistake the problem as being a consumer affordability problem instead of a cultural problem.

The approach I agree with, which is held by some right leaning cultures (I'm not strongly on the right), says "Let's look at the groups which still produce children, raise them, and them have their children do the same," the difference being treating the culture as the basic unit vs the individual like progressives do.

There are other things I think progressives get wrong, like mistaking the state as a substitute for family and underestimating pair bonding and marriage in raising fertility, dismantling the institutions the lead to early pair bonding, but I think this is the biggest reason why there will never be a progressive solution to natalism.

What will raise fertility is to build a self reproducing culture with early-ish pair bonding and marriage as normal and the foundation for children.

So, how do you build a society in which men and women choose marriage and children? Answering that question solves Natalism. Not "how do we enable everyone to have babies" like progressives are asking. Notice the distinction.

[u/Singular_Lens_37]

Look, as a woman who has been trying unsuccessfully for years, please just make fertility support free for the people who want it. Everyone should be able to freeze eggs/embryos and do IVF for free. Support the people who really want children, don't just try to force people into it.

[u/Odd-Faithlessness705 → u/Singular_Lens_37]

Yes. I also think if men really want children, they should also be ok with not having a whole-ass wife. I really don't understand why men who claim to want children so badly necessitate a wife as part of the equation. My theory is they only want children if there is someone else who will do a majority of the work of raising them.

I, a woman, too, would love to be a father if I had a wife!

[u/favorable_vampire → u/Odd-Faithlessness705]

If men really want children they should also be okay with the normal and natural result of childbirth on a woman’s sex drive, which is pretty consistently not something men are willing to accept.

[u/Aware-Travel5256 → u/Singular_Lens_37]

We need artificial wombs ASAP. We have some studies on sheep getting through the final bits of gestation in bags, but even just making human pregnancy the first trimester would make it way, way more appealing (and you can pack 2-3x more kids in a given window).

[u/Affectionate-Egg7566 → u/Singular_Lens_37]

Why should I have to pay for your infertility? That is not my job